Thread: The Ordinances
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:51 AM
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Lets take Chapter 11 and look at it verse by verse.

vs1 instruction to follow him as he does Christ
vs2 He praises them for remembering him (not Jesus) and keeping the ordinances he delivered unto them (I believe it was the letter to abstain from blood, strangled animals, things offered to idol and fornication. and according to your understanding he is speaking of the Lord's supper which he does not take up until verse17)
Vv3-16 Paul speaks of Authority of the head and shamefulness if a woman prophecies or prays with uncovered head or a man does so covered. (if I follow you logic of uniting vs 2 to vs 17 and beyond. then this is the first ordinance the ordinance of proper prophecy and prayer)
Vv 17-22 speak if the divisions in the fellowship and impropriety of coming together for the Lord's Supper the bread and the cup.
Vv23-26 Paul establishes when and where he received and delivered unto them and he then narrates what it was he had received the info of the Upper room the last night he was alive. and that this supper was to be done in remembrance..
Vv27-34 Paul also continues to show the improper attitude towards other in the body and that each man judge himself then take and eat. and that it should all be done at once as one body.

Why do we make Baptism one of the two when Paul never, as he does the Lord's Table, make mention of Baptism as something he delivered unto them?

plus vs 23 is a totally different delivery than that mentioned in vs 2. other wise he did not need to mention it again.

The Gospels upper room discourses
Matt 26 gives no instruction to do
Mark 14 gives no instruction to do
Luke 22 says this do in remembrance of me as does Paul, it is obvious it is a memorial.

But vs 23 makes the fact that Paul is not referring to verse 2 for they are two different deliver unto you statements. we have made it say that is is the Lord's Table without any regards to what was delivered by the hand of Paul to every Gentile church that he visited. which was just as inspired by God than any other word of the scriptures.

Many Christians are not following the four decrees set forth by the Jerusalem counsel and why is that? are churches are full of people committing sexual immorality, being members of secret societies drinking blood (even symbolic form) here in the Philippines Dugoan(SP? Blood) dish is eaten by Christians, Animal are sold at the store that have not had their blood removed yet we buy it without question.

I am not saying Paul didn't receive or deliver the Lord's supper he says so in Vs23-26. but Verse two seems to be more inline with another set of ordinances Plural. but 1Cor 11:23 only covers an ordinance of the Lord's Supper (that is what we call it though it is never called that by Paul or Jesus). The only plural ordinances we have record of Paul every delivering to the churches including Corinth is the Letter from Jerusalem.

The first use of the word Ordinance in context of Exodus 12:14 is in line with the word Statute. the Hebrew word chuqqah, khook-kaw' never means "remembrance, service or memorial" it does mean appointed, custom, manner, ordinance, site, statute the same as our English word

Sonny you did however do a great job in defending a long standing traditional teaching that the Lord's Supper is an ordinance.

Ac 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Just so you don't think they were limited in their deleivery they went beyond antioch Syria and Cilicia to Derbe and Lystra and chapter 21 says the Gentiles meaning all gentile believers and they delievered these decreees when they "went through the cities"

Ac 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:
2 Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.
4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.

Ac 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

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