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Old 07-17-2009, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by chette777 View Post
1) Israel is no where in the picture either at the point of Noah's cursing Canaan. you would really need to stretch that to make it fit Israel. Everyone living at that time would be considered Gentiles

2)No one said anything about White American Gentiles. for your info there were black slave owners as well in the south. few granted but they did exist. we mentioned Jhephite nations and Hamite nations. and if the curse went to his sons as you indicate by using the descendant name "Canaanites". Then you agree the curse covered more than just one man but to a whole Nation of people.

this next statement is not a Racist thing or a bigoted view in anyway nor is it being dogmatic but believing the word of God for what it says.

3) Ge 9:25-27 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant(referring to Shem's line). God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant(referring to Japheth's line). this says he sill serve his Brethren which would be Japheth and Shem, not just Shem. And Shem is not Israel. Japheth did live in the Tenting grounds of the American line of Shem's descendants.

Now if in fact Ham is the father of the black Nation's as it has been taught since before the birth of Christ (this is not a white supremest teaching by any means. this was a Hebrew teaching). This would put Hamite descendants as slaves to Japheth when they had lived in the tents of Shem. the only Historical record(not Biblical history I agree but where world history lines up with Bible I will take it) we have of Japheth's descendants living in the tents of Shem is the Japhethite Nations (England, France and Germany) conquering of What is called North America. There is another name a native one for North America I just don't remember it off hand. I will look and see if I can find that info.

you will notice Noah blessed Shem and Japheth for what they did. he blessed Shem with the Priesthood. and from him came the religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, Shamanism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These were all started by Shemite descendants.

And he blessed Japheth with enlarged lands. it was the Japheth Nations that traveled the world and colonized and brought it to where it was today. there is Archeological evidence of White nations from Northern to Southern China and Mongolia, white races found buried in tombs of South America 1,000 years before the Spanish, they are believed to be Roman descendants. There have even been findings of them in North America before Leif Erickson ventured down into the area of Maine.
"Israel is no where in the picture either at the point of Noah's cursing Canaan. you would really need to stretch that to make it fit Israel. Everyone living at that time would be considered Gentiles"

Ex. 1:8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
9 And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:
10 Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.
11 Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.
12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.
13 And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:
14 And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.

Brother Chette, if a poll were taken of each member of this forum of what is it about this forum gets on your nerves the most, I'm sure each of us would have things annoying to each of us. Mine is having to read the Scriptures for people, draw them a picture, and grieve at the personal and denominational glee many disconnect portions of the Scriptures from some places, and have a mortal fear of putting two verses together in other places.

"2)No one said anything about White American Gentiles."

Sure they did, Read the thread. There are people in this forum, there are people in this thread who believe the "curse" extends to this day, the Church Age, and that Negroes, all Negroes, are the "cursed", and have to step off the sidewalk into the gutter to let me pass. Dr. Ruckman, who is guru for so many in this forum in general believes it, he teaches it. His clones teach it Others who have never heard of him teach it. The Klan, the Aryan Brotherhood, Christian Identity, who know nothing of Christ nor being reconciled to God, sure know Genesis 9, or think they do.

For your information, my grandmother's grandfather was the largest and most brutal slave dealer in the tri-state area of Kentucky, Tennessee, and West Virginia in the mid-1800s, I know how blacks were treated, and no one on this planet, let alone this forum, can show one verse of Scripture to justify that brutality.

As Hitler said, beans is beans and schnapps is schnapps. There is only one "curse" that extends to this day, the curse Adam placed on the flesh of all of us the second week after Creation, yet this curse was taken away on the cross of Calvary. We may die physically, we will have immortality because He is Immortal.

Grace and peace Chette