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Originally Posted by chette777
actually I was more interested in the 5 cherub that Satan was in charge of?
but as far as translated so Enoch would not see death according as stated in hebrews. does not indicate he received a glorified body. or that he will not return and see death at another time. It is clear the death he did not see was that of the flood that is in the context of Hebrews and Genesis 5. and yes I believe people will be translated just like Enoch (no details on how God took him in Genesis 5) or Elijah. so it is not an issue of a rapture either.
Also it is not an issue of God being able to raise the dead. I believe he has and will again. I never said I didn't believe God would raise the dead as you accused me of. as a matter of fact I stated that he would raise the dead and the two witnesses.
we are told in 1 Cor that only the body of Christ dead or alive will be raised into glorified bodies. this however may not be the case with Enoch or Elijah. and most definitely is not the case with any dead OT Saint. where in Scriptures does it say clearly that Enoch got a glorified body? how could you tie in Enoch to 1 Corinthians he never believed on Christ as Saviour and that Christ dies for his sins, nor is he a member of the Body of Christ. someone could take your statements as a private interpretation.
God is dealing with two types of people during the Great Tribulation mainly Israel but also the Gentile nations. both these are clear in scriptures. so what so difficult for God to use Enoch as a witness not just to Jews but to Gentiles? Why two witnesses? why no just one? 144,000 had already been running around witnessing too.
And so what the plagues are like the ones God preformed through Moses that doesn't mean it is Moses. God is the one who will be performing the feats through the two. it is not the man it is the God the men serve that does the plagues and feats.
the second death is not the type of Physical death we experience today. Death in the Lake of fire where Death and hell shall be cast into, tells us the second death is not like the first. you confuse them to make a person dying twice in a mortal fleshly fashion. someone might take that as a private interpretation.
sorry I don't read Ironside and as far as Ruckman I take his words with caution as well. I have found some of his stuff off as well. children give answers to what they have been taught. but those same children dont study to see what they are taught are true
but we were talking about the two witnesses. and you made mention about Satan being a supreme being and overlord of 5 cherubs. I was just wondering where in the Bible is says that about Satan?
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Brother, you'll pardon me again, but you still can't get out of the Book Of Chette. I've said this before, I'll continue to say it: You try and bend the Scriptures around your private interpretations,
the Scriptures don't bend, they bend you. You're
dead set on having a Burger King Bible and a Burger King Theology: Have It My Way.
Nowhere does the Bible specifically say that Judas Iscariot is the Anti-Christ, the Beast Of The Bottomless Pit. You have to study two verses written by Paul and Jesus Christ to see it. Nowhere does the Bible specifically state that the water baptism of lev. 8 is the same water baptism of Matt. 3, Mark 16, Acts 2 and all the others, if you say it isn't is because
you haven't studied the 412 verses that says it is the same baptism.
Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say plain and open-faced in one verse, "the Lord Jesus Christ is God, The Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God" Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say "Every single verse of 36,000 verses in the Scriptures applies to the Lord Jesus Christ". They do, every period and comma
if you study them. God chose to breath into and make alive a book divided into over 36,000 verses,
not 36. You have to
study to show yourself approved unto God, you have to be a
workman, it takes
labor and
work to study the Scriptures. Solomon said in the OT that much study is wearying to the flesh,
we still study the Scriptures. I'm not the only person who struggled and sweated with Tandi and her convoluted SDA theology, you gave her good answers yourself,
all of us wrote her what
amounts to a small book trying to get her into studying her
Bible and not the Book Of Tandi; I typed so much to her my hand, which has nerve damage,
was numb for a week. I had to type any messages afterwards
with a pencil.
Brother, I'm not trying to mean. If you want to believe the two witnesses are Frank Sinatra and Ozzy Osborne,
you're going to believe what you want to. Who the two witnesses are in Rev. 11 is not going to put one lost sinner into the Body of Christ, only the preaching of the cross will do that. And unless you apply Isaiah 28 to your Bible study the preaching of the cross
is the only thing you're going to know.
You'll pardon me again, I say this with charity, the statement on Enoch and the Flood is probably the silliest thing I've read in this forum and equal only to the grasping at straws of one member who tried to say Babtist water baptism and the Spirit baptism of I Cor. 12:13 was "one baptism" becasue a husband and wife are "one flesh" in the Water Baptism thread,
the same thing the Church of Christ teaches. Enoch cannot die in Rev. 11 without being "untranslated".What did Enoch do that caused God to give him such favor?
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was
translated that
he should not see death; and was not found, because God had
translated him: for
before his translation he had
this testimony,
that he pleased God.
Chette, your "interpretation" methods would say to me, oh, unless I see Enoch's scars I will not believe, all flesh is as grass, all have sinned, all our righteousness is a filthy rags, including Enoch's...
Brother, you can't tell God what to do. You and I are going to die someday and be absent from the body and present with Him and
I don;t want to die because I fear the manner of my death and I'm going to grab every AK-47 I can get my hands on to keep from dying, but it's God will and I have to do it. If the Scriptures say Lucifer was "the
annointed cherub" out of five it means he was the chief cherub of those five and chief created being
whether we want him to be or not.
Chette, you
skimmed my message, you didn't read it. If you
did read it, you didn't study it. If you
did study it, you
don't believe it. So why take the trouble to write this? Two reasons: You are my brother in Christ, and
someone will read it and believe it and see you can't bend the Scriptures around your interpretations, the Scriptures bend you.
Grace and peace brother
Tony