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Old 02-05-2009, 11:04 PM
Steven Avery Steven Avery is offline
 
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Default Symon Patrick - Doug Kutilek - dunce-cap #1

Hi Folks,

We know that a numbers game of commentators means little. Often they simply write as lemmings (see "strain at a gnat" if you have any doubt about the capabilities of lemming-gnats).

However, if you are going to be reviewing the commentators you should at least do it fairly and accurately. You should try to read the commentators and learn from them, enjoy and appreciate. learn and study. We saw above that perhaps the single most critical commentator, Rashi, was severely misrepresented by Doug Kutilek.

(Also other significant later Hebraic commentators and versions supporting "words" were simply omitted, although that might be more Doug Kutilek unfamiliarity with the material.)

Now we will be considering another situation, while challenging our readers with "how many things are wrong with this picture" re: Doug Kutilek on the Michael Ayguan discussion above.

While we await, let us look at how easy it is for Doug Kutilek to misrepresent and blunder.

http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_why_psalm_pr.htm
Why Psalm 12:6,7 is Not a Promise of the Infallible Preservation of Scripture

"the promise of preservation applies to the persecuted people of God...
Among 19th century authors who concur are Adam Clarke, Symon Patrick..."


Wait a minute. Hmmm.

Symon Patrick in the 19th century ? Symon Patrick is in the 17th century, and quite a fine writer (and a strong supporter of the 'heavenly witnesses' verses).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Patrick
Simon Patrick (1626 – 1707) was an English theologian and bishop.

Here is a writing sample. Notice that 1 John 5:7-8 starts the book, and is the theme of the whole work !

http://www.archive.org/details/witne...rist01patruoft
The witnesses to Christianity, or, The certainty of our faith and hope : in a discourse (1675)


Now that is pretty bad, two centuries off, however Doug Kutilek also misrepresents Symon Patrick on the Psalms verses at the same time !

http://books.google.com/books?id=pIMXAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA87
A Commentary Upon the Old and New Testaments, with the Apocrypha - Symon Patrick

Ver. 6. The words of the LORD sre pure words ; as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

For the promises of God are not deceitful like yours, but sincere, and void of all guile: the purest silver, refined to the greatest perfection, is not more free from dross, than they are from all mixture of falsehood.

Ver. 7. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shall preserve them from this generation for ever.

I am confident, O Lord, thou wilt perform them, and not suffer thy words to fail. Thou wilt ever preserve him that,confides in thee, from this perverse generation, how oft soever they renew their attempts against him.


Notice that Symon Patrick is giving a similar type of split interpretation as we just saw from Michael Ayguan.

For Patrick
Keep them == perform them (words)
Perserve them = protect them - from this generation.

"For ever" is given the very awkward sense of "how oft soever" straining the language, much like the NETBible "continually". There really is only a type of current protection, not true preservation for ever.

And using the Doug Kutilek theory of single interpretation, properly applied, the correction to Symon Patrick should be to preserving words.

However, to be fair, Symon Patrick really missed the concept of "preservation" altogether, even though it is totally clear in the verse !

Nonethess despite the split interpretation, despite the lack of preservation, Kutilek, after the strange blunder of missing two centuries (remember this paper could have been changed and updated over the years, Kutilek may still not know !) Doug Kutilkek also misrepresents the position of Symon Patrick ! Yoiks. Double-blunder.

Kutilek researched these commentaries in a very shoddy one-dimensional manner. (Something we often find from those without the pure Bible.) It is very hard to get Symon Patrick's date wrong ! You have to simply grab the date of an 1800s edition of his writing. You have to be totally uninterested in the man, his depth and insight. You must be a technocrat without deep heart and soul when "studying" the Bible. And you also have to be a bit slow, and miss the fact that his name in that spelling (Symon .. he is referred to both ways) is earlier English ! Very strange.

Then on top of that Doug Kutilek reads with superficial one-dimensional glasses, to misrepresent what Symon Partick actually says. You have to read for agenda, not insight.

Kutilek's deception on Rashi looked deliberate, not dunce-cap capable. However here we have a large dunce-cap for placing a man with a Puritan heritage, living around 1650 and writing some very sweet books, in the 1800s. Plus on top of the dunce-cap, we add the misrepresentation of the Symon Patrick position. And we learn a bit more about Doug Kutilek.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

Last edited by Steven Avery; 02-05-2009 at 11:14 PM.