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Old 03-21-2009, 12:51 PM
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Aloha sister Tandi,

I am going to try , this one more time, to reason with you because I perceive that you are sincere, but lack some spiritual understanding in this matter.

First of all, although Brandon Staggs (Diligent) is my son-in-law; in the year that I have been on the AV1611 Bible Forums I have never asked him to ban anyone - not one person. In the year that I have been here, I cannot recall ever calling for the banning of someone publicly or openly on the Forum. {Although I may have affirmed the banning of someone AFTER Brandon banned them - It's Brandon's Forum, NOT mine.}

I am not calling for Brandon to ban geologist now, nor will I (we haven't even talked about the possibility). And I certainly wouldn't call for you to get banned - you haven't done anything contrary to the rules of the Forum and you have an absolute right to your opinion, regardless of who I am, or what I may say.

Considering the state of the churches in these times of apostasy, I wouldn't want someone to get banned from the only possible source of fellowship and Bible teaching they may have. To be honest, if the AV1611 Forum were mine, I still wouldn't ban geologist, even though I believe he is gravely mistaken on this issue.

If you will carefully re-read my Posts, both to geologist and to you, I never even "hinted" that either one of you should be banned, and I didn't call for anyone else to "disregard", or "avoid" geologist. I just informed geologist that from here on out "I for one" would disregard anything he had to say and that I would avoid him.

My words:
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"After observing your utter “disregard” for the Holy words of God in this instance, you may rest assured, that I for one, will disregard anything you have to say from here on out! I learned long ago to avoid "gnat strainers" and Bible correctors."
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"I have a very simple rule (and have had since 1968) when a Christian says "NAY" TO God's Holy words - I say NAY TO THEM!"
This issue (Bible Correcting) may seem to be a small matter to you, but to me, next to God Himself, it is of paramount importance. Please notice the difference in how I have tried to intreat you and persuade you - because you haven't denied God's words; you haven't changed them; you haven't added to them; geologist has.

You were touched by geologist's loss of his pet, and in feeling sympathy for him and his situation, you have let your "feelings" interfere with your judgment (women tend to this more than men). While I too was "touched" by geologists loss, my problem was that what he said about his dog was unscriptural, i.e. false. {geologist let his "attachment" to his pet dog "cloud his judgment".}

I only made my Post after you agreed with his comments (your Posts #3 & #11,). Please take notice - my first Post #13 was made AFTER your two Posts supporting geologists unscriptural statements. Brother Tim admonished you with his Post #12:

Brother Tim's words:
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"Tandi, you have done what too many do with the Scriptures. You stopped with the part that said what you wanted. Now read the next verse:" 1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Since Brother Tim had admonished you, I saw no need to admonish you any further (I didn't even mention you by name at that juncture), but geologist was another matter. He not only had made false statements, but, because of his tragic loss, he had persuaded you to go along with his false claims - it was at that point that I could no longer "forbear". It was one thing for geologist to believe his speculations, it was quite another for him to be persuading others to his erroneous beliefs.

If you have re-read the Posts in chronological order you will see that my first Post (#13) was a "mild correction" - no name calling; no bombastic statements; no accusations; and no threats. I just simply pointed out that his personal belief about his dog was in error - that's all. If geologist had "just considered the source" and let my comment pass, none of this brouhaha would have occured. So your comment (judgment) is in grave error:

Your statement:
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"Geologist requested that this conversation be dropped (Renee did as well), but George would not drop it."
It was only AFTER geologist's Post#19, where he denied the truth of Scripture (as plainly stated), and proceeded to correct & change it; and his Post#23 with his snide and condescending attitude towards my wife (as if she were a "novice") that I came in (my Post #25) and took him to task for his blasphemous attitude towards the Holy Scriptures.

Again, if he would have just "considered the source" and just let my reproof pass, this "episode" would have ended - BUT he just had to come back and justify his denial of Scriptural truth; with a "contrived" dispensational explaination that will not "hold water". {Essentially what geologist was claiming was that - Old Testament "truth", is no longer "TRUE" - and that what he now believed, was New Testament "truth", as if there was a CONTRADICTION in the Holy Scriptures!} We do not "rightly divide the word of truth" - by DENYING parts of it, because it comes from the Old Testament! The command is to "RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word of truth" - NOT DENY it; CORRECT it; and the CHANGE it!

Either ALL of the Bible is TRUE or NONE of it is! Either we accept the whole of Scripture as being TRUE or IF it is NOT - we should just forget the whole matter and just "eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die".

IF I cannot go to the Book (that I have treasured for over 50 years) with complete confidence - knowing that it is ALL TRUE, I would have given up the "exercise" long ago. And IF a fellow brother in Christ, with whom I am fellowshipping with (I cannot warn, admonish, reprove, rebuke, or correct all Christians everywhere) DENIES, CORRECTS, and CHANGES the words that are in that Book, you may rest assured that I am going to speak up and defend the Holy words of God against the offender - regardless of whomsoever he may be.

I have left churches over this issue; I have been given the "heave ho" from churches over this issue; I have lost good friends over this issue; I have been railed on by Jack Van Impe (1973) over this issue, do you think that I am going to let geologist's blasphemy stand, without my challenging him? If you do - you don't know me.

This is not a matter of "picking sides" in a dispute, this is a matter of righteous judgment - like I have said. Your statement: ""Geologist requested that this conversation be dropped (Renee did as well), but George would not drop it." is in error. Had geologist chosen, at anytime during this dispute, to drop it, I would have been more than happy to oblige. But it was geologist that kept coming back (justifying himself and what he said) - not me. I just kept replying to his false claims each time he made them.

This Post is not meant to castigate you or demean you, but I have a responsibilty to "earnestly contend for the faith"; and if in doing so, someone's "feelings get hurt" - so be it. My wife and I have trained up 7 children in our life together, and we got real used to someone's "feelings getting hurt", but that never deterred us from trying to do the right thing (according to the Bible), and it is not going to deter me now from following God's words (according to the Holy Scriptures - and not according to my feelings or personal opinions).

I determined in my heart long ago (1968) that I will not put up with any Christian (within my sphere of influence) adding, subtracting, or changing the words of God in my Bible. If I will not support those things, what am I to do when a Christian (on this Forum) not only changes and adds to the Holy words of God, but also DENIES the Truth stated therein?

I am appealing to you to think about what has transpired here. Either the Bible is ALL TRUE and can be unconditionally trusted and relied on, or it has contradictions. IF it has contradictions, then it's not worth the paper that its written on. On the other hand - if it as ALL TRUE, then Christians have no business DENYING ("NAY") parts of it (because it comes from the Old Testament), just because they may not understand it, or (worse yet) because they DISAGREE with what it says!

We Christians have been given a CHOICE - we can either believe God's Holy words {preserved for us - inspired, Holy, perfect, and without error in the King James Bible} or we can believe men and their private interpretations; personal opinions; and individual beliefs. Over forty years ago I chose to believe God's word, I don't intend to CHANGE now. I am as commited to the "Truth" of God's word now (even more so), than I was back in 1968 when I found out the truth about the King James Bible.

Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psalms 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.

Last edited by George; 03-21-2009 at 01:21 PM.