Bro. Brandon,
I am not trying to defend anything, but understand the thought process. Now that I've exhausted all the Scripture on the subject, I feel as if I understand your position.
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Are you suggesting that this verse means that the pastor happens to be a shepherd and therefore because he is brutish that his flocks will be scattered?????
That sentence makes no sense to me. I don't understand what you are asking, since I maintain that the pastor is not a shepherd -- unless you are reading a modern non-KJV (think about that for a minute!).
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Well, with the "my church" comment I see how you come to read that passage as you do.
I read nothing but a KJB...
I am not intending to defend any position at this point. Just wanting to know how you read the passages as opposed to how I've understood them. I honestly have never used the term shepherd in reference to any pastor and I don't think I've heard it used many times in the churches I am in.
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And here is the crux of the matter: you are trying to defend Nicolaism and set the pastor as someone separate from the church he is supposed to be serving.
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I can see how you would think that, but honestly I don't believe that. LoL
I'm not even sure I can correctly pronounce that.
I have not disagreed at all with anyone's duties of a pastor, elder or deacon and George did a great study on the church that I agreed with wholeheartedly (until the end in which I need to process a bit more
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Being a pastor's wife for 10+ yrs I am very well aquainted with the "position" of a pastor and being a servant to the people, an ensample and have seen my husband lead humbly yet with authority when teaching the Bible. Bro. Brandon I don't think we would disagree on that topic.
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You're not seriously applying these verses about Israel to the Church, are you? Besides, that passage proves pastors and shepherds are different.
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No not applying them, but pulling out all the stops so to speak LoL
And I see what you are saying, pastor is one - shepherd is another.
Thank you, I've no more questions...................tonight