Originally Posted by
bibleprotector
Quote:
"Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf." (Job 36:2) This is Elihu's problem: presumption.
"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" (Job 38:2) "God directly speaks to Job, and God is showing that Elihu did not actually understand what he was talking about.
"Since Elihu's words are Scripture, I think that what he was saying are truths, and are things we can use for doctrines. "
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Aloha brother bibleprotector,
I beg to differ with you here brother (just a little
). Here is what Elihu said:
Job 36:2 Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf.
3 I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker.
4 For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.
All of us (at times) "speak” on behalf of God, and I don’t believe that it is “
presumptuous” of us when we do. (That is why when we do “speak” - we better “speak” the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, and nothing but the TRUTH!)
According to Elihu he was going to
seek his knowledge from God <>
“I will fetch my knowledge from afar”; he would give God the credit: <>
“and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker”; he testified that what he was going to say was TRUTH <>
“For truly my words shall NOT be FALSE”; and that God would testify to the hearer as to whether what Elihu said was TRUE or NOT <> “HE that is perfect in knowledge is with thee”.
Now if Elihu was “just as wrong” as Job’s three “friends”, then he wasn’t only guilty of their sin: “My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends:for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right,” He would have been guilty of LYING – because he claimed: “
For truly my words shall NOT be FALSE”; and he claimed that he was receiving his knowledge from God - “
I will fetch my knowledge from afar”.
This is why I have spent as much time on this issue as I have. The point that I have tried to make in these recent Posts and in my previous Posts - see:
http://av1611.com/forums/showpost.ph...40&postcount=1 http://av1611.com/forums/showpost.ph...98&postcount=7 is that – I do not believe that
all of the
things that Jobs three “friends” said are “
suspect”. All of the “factual” statements that they made about the creation; the fall of man; Adam; the Flood; or about the Nature and Character of God are TRUE. The only thing where they are found to be at
fault is in their “
judgment” about
why God was allowing Job to be “
tried”.
They “
thought” it was due to “
sin” in Job’s life, and so God was punishing Job for his “
sin” – they misjudged God’s reasons for Job’s trials & tribulations (“
ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right”) and that
misjudgment kindled God’s “wrath” (which should be a
warning to us when we
judge a friend or another brother in Christ).
The point about Elihu is simple: If he was “
just as wrong” in his
judgment of Job and about God as Job’s three “friends”, he should have been included in their condemnation, (regardless of his age). If he was “
just as wrong”, he also would have been a LIAR! {“
For truly my words shall not be false”} I believe that I have demonstrated (from the Holy Scriptures) that Elihu was NOT “
just as wrong”, as Job’s three “friends”. I also think that I have shown from this Post that Elihu was NOT guilty of being a liar or of “
presumption”, but that he was speaking the “Truth”.
You also said: "
God directly speaks to Job, and God is showing that Elihu did not actually understand what he was talking about." My question for you is - if Elihu "
did not understand what he was talking about", how is it that God
verifies several things that he said?
(see my previous Post #13 on this thread)