[George]

Originally Posted by Brother Tim

C'mon, Brother! "it is far more highly probable, that there are two (2) kingdoms present at the same time" ?? This is really stretching it!

Please read the verses again that I quoted in post #210. How is it possible to read these verses plainly and straightforward and not see that Jesus is speaking of the same thing?

By the way, where in the Scriptures does God acknowledge that satan rules of an earthly kingdom? In Matthew 4, satan claims that the kingdoms are his to give. Remember he is the father of lies; he is the deceiver. (If he told me that the sky was blue, I would look outside to see for myself! )
He is the god of this world, that is, he is the god that the world worships.

We have reached an impasse - You have ignored every verse that I presented that clearly demonstrates that these two kingdoms cannot be the same - and revert back to calling my attention to the verses you've cited to prove they are the same. I acknowledge those verses and simply say that the Lord was citing two Kingdoms, since he came to challenge Satan for one (the kingdom of heaven) and brought the other (the kingdom of God) with Him.

You can only say "it appears to me" (because of the verses that you cite); while I reiterate that I have presented verses that demonstrate that they clearly are not the same. The difference being, that while they only "appear" to be the same in the verses you cited - they clearly can not be the same in the verses I cited.

No where's in the scriptures does it say or intimate that Satan "claims" that the kingdoms are his, on the contrary the Lord never "disputed" that so-called "claim". You must change or modify the word of God to come up with this "private interpretation". Just because Satan is the "father of lies", doesn't mean that "everything" that he says or claims is a lie. Remember Eve in the Garden? And what of the first two temptations preceding this one? Did Satan "lie" in them? No! As matter of fact he even quoted scripture to the Lord twice.

The Devil is not only "the father of lies", he is also a murderer from the beginning: John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Satan is not only the god that this world "worships", he is the god that they "follow" [1 Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.]- he is temporarily in charge of this world system. How can you explain the hatred around the world by almost all forms of Government (Communism, Socialism, Dictatorships, Democracies, Mohamedism (Islam); almost all Educational Institutions: almost all of the Media; etc. for the God of creation; and for His Holy word; and for His people (Jews & Christians)? Is this hatred just coincidental? Not hardly! Read the Book of Daniel - God gives us a "peek" at how the spirit world works in conjunction with the physical.

How can you explain the circumstances that have produced a near total "blackout" of the word of God in nearly 4/5's of the world's population? (China-1 Billion + people; India-1 Billion + people; most Muslim countries-1 Billion+ people; Russia; Vietnam; and whole sections of Africa? Plus strong resistance in most of South America; the rest of Asia; the Island nations of Indonesia; parts of the Philippines? Not to mention that the Scriptures have been practically banned from the schools; government; and the public square in most of the western world? If Satan is not in control - WHO is? WHO could possibly exercise this kind of perverse influence worldwide?

And this doesn't take in to account the lack of "faithful" translations of the word of God in those countries mentioned above and the proliferation of "corrupt" Bibles in the U.S.A. And you "think" that all this has just come about "accidentally"? That's why I posted those essays on Humanism and have encouraged people to check out the Humanist Manifestos I II & III to see for themselves how Satan has blinded the minds of people everywhere; and has perversely influenced world governments; and corrupted Christian churches throughout the Western world and the U.S.A.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Isaiah 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.

Jeremiah 25:26 And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.


All the "kingdoms of this world are not God's - at this moment. But there will come a time, there will be a day when they will be. Until then Satan is in control of the world system and he is working overtime to destroy everything and everybody that is connected to God Almighty.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

I am looking forward to that wonderful day! And the sooner it comes the better.

Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.