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Originally Posted by Winman
Well, I would like to introduce a new question that has been on my mind.
Has Satan "fallen" yet??
I believe most Christians would say yes, but I am not so sure. Probably the most important verse to support this belief is Luke 10:18
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Is it possible the Lord was speaking of a future event here?
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The reason I ask this (and this is a sincere question) is because Satan still has access to heaven as shown in Job.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
So, it is clearly written here in scripture that Satan has access to heaven, or at least he still had access in the days of Job.
So, I am not asking if Satan sinned, it is clear that in Genesis chapter 3 that Satan is evil, adding to the Word of God and deceiving Eve.
But from what I read, Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven, and will not be so until the end as shown in Revelations chapter 12.
Any opinions on this?
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Has Satan "fallen"? Yes and absolutely yes. Actually, the verse you provide in Luke 10:18 or in Isaiah 14:12 is a clear indication that he was. It all began when Lucifer said "I will" in Isaiah 14:13-14 so that he was fallen and was cast in the first heaven and become "...the prince of the power of the air..." Ephesians 2:2. Now in Job 1:6 we are not sure that God was in His abode when Satan came also. If this is heaven, it might not be the third heaven(God's abode where no sin can enter) but probaly the second heaven. Whilst Satan had to come to present himself before the Lord, the Bible is not definite to where it occur but the best probality, it occur in the second heaven. Again In Revalation 12, Satan was yet to cast down. Accordingly, Satan is to be cast out into the
earth. No more he will be called the prince of the power of the air. Again,Satan will lowered in his position. He will now be next crawling into the deep abyss or the bottomless pit.
Has Satan not fallen yet? He has been fallen but not yet into the ground and in the bottomless pit.
Jude 25
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