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Old 03-20-2008, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Revangelist View Post
George, your answer was cold. "Clinical depression" is a worldly label. But, "cast down" is a biblical term. There are Christians who suffer from "depression" and need answers and prayer, not rebuke.
Here is another "cold" answer: There are 34 verses in the Bible (Swordsearcher results) with the exact term "cast down" - {Ex 7:10,12; Jos 10:11; Jg 6:28,30-31; 2Ch 25:8; Ne 6:16; Job 22:29; 41:9; Ps 36:12; 37:14,24; Ps 42:5-6,11; Ps 43:5; 56:7; Pr 7:26; Isa 28:2; Jer 6:15; 8:12; La 2:1; Eze 6:4; 19:12; Da 7:9; 8:10-12; 11:12; Mt 27:5; 2Co 4:9; 7:6; Re 12:10}. check them out - don't take my word.

Of those 34 verses the use of the words "cast down" in the vast majority of cases means (guess what?) "CAST DOWN"! i.e. something or someone is being physically "cast down. All of the verses in Bold type are real clear as to the meaning. The verses Underlined would seem to indicate that the soul (not body) can be cast down also: Psalms 42:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance. (Notice how close Psalms
42:11 & Psalms 43:5 are to 42:5). These verses in Psalms indicate that there is a "spiritual" problem going on - NOT "clinical depression" as defined by Humanist Psychiatry & Psychology.

That leaves Nehemiah 6:16 and 2Corinthians 7:6 that might be open to your "private interpretation". Nehemiah 6:16 And it came to pass, that when all our enemies heard thereof, and all the heathen that were about us saw these things, they were much cast down in their own eyes: for they perceived that this work was wrought of our God. The heathen in this verse may have had an "inferior complex" ( that is if you subscribe to the hogwash put out by Psychiatry & Psychology), but they weren't suffering from "clinical depression".

So we have arrived at the one verse (out of 34) that may come close to what Revangelist is referring to: 2 Corinthians 7:6 Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;. I have no problem with the idea that Christians can become sad, disappointed, and brokenhearted. Or that they can despair of even living. But this is NOT the same as "clinical depression" (as defined by Psychiatrists & Psychologists) or any of the other 450 psychiatric "excuses" now supplied to mankind for not taking personal reponsibility for their actions or for Christians for not living an "overcoming life" through the spirit (Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16, 25).

I am dead set against the psychologizing of Christianity and the perverse influence that Humanistic Psychiatry & Psychology has had on the churches of God in the last 50 years. What did Christians do before Freud? How did we ever learn to "cope" before Jung or Adler? How did we live holy lives before Maslow, Fromm, and Rogers?

The godless religion of Humanism is the very foundation of Psychiatry & Psychology - How can we suppose that it has anything of spiritual value to offer those of us who truly believe the Bible? [[Galatians 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.]

Please read "Psycho Heresy" and "The End of 'Christian' Psychology" by Martin & Deidre Bobgan; or the numerous articles and books by Dave Hunt and T. A. McMahon on this subject; or "House of Cards" by Robyn M. Dawes (secular University Professor and "psychological researcher") or "Manufacturing Victims" by Dr. Tana Dineen (secular "psychological researcher").

If you want to read the unbiblical "Christian" viewpoint on this you might get some of the 70+ books by Paul Meier & Dr. Frank Minirth; or any of the books Dr. James Dobson; or Dr. Caroline Leaf; etc. etc.

The perverse influence of psychiatry & psychology on the churches in the last 50 years is incalculable. The damage that "Christian Counselling" (along psychiatric lines) has done to Christian lives is unbelievable. The destructive effect that Psychiatry & Psychology has on Bible understanding is such that most Christians (today) have no idea as to WHAT the truth is or WHERE to find it.

Today, when a person (man or woman) gets saved (born of the Spirit of God through the written word of God) they bring along a lot of "baggage" with them. And the older they are the more "baggage" they have. In the Western world most of that "baggage" is godless Humanism - taught and accepted in the home, schools, colleges, media (print, radio, television), government (executive, legislature, and especially the courts).

When we get saved we just don't deposit that "garbage" in the garbage can and we suddenly know everything there is to know about God, the church, the Bible, spiritual matters, marriage, etc. We are commanded (by God) to "study": 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Notice: we are to study "the word of truth", which simply means that if we have a "problem" in our life (ANY & ALL problems) we are to look to God and his holy words for our answers - NOT some godless "dr." or some reprobate "Christian Counsellor"! Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

In closing: Since I have been married for 47 years to a woman of another race & another culture; and since, when we were married she was seventeen years old and a Catholic (to boot!); and since, in all those 47 years, I have never seen another Christian couple who are as close as my wife and I are; and since God blessed us with 7 children (4 boys & 3 girls) - none of which ended up a drunk, a drugee, a pervert, a thief, a murderer, etc., and since God saw fit to call our oldest son "home" four years ago; I thought that I might be "qualified" to advise a Christian brother who was seeking prayer for a very serious matter (the possible deteriation of his marriage).

If my wife and I made it through "thick & thin" for 47 years (with God's help - of course!), with all of the joys and heartaches that life has to offer, we just might be able to give a young couple starting out in life some helpful "Biblical" advise - since there is no way we would have made it through all of those years without both of us subjecting ourselves to God's holy word and to His Holy Spirit.