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Old 03-24-2008, 04:16 PM
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diligent im not upset over any thing , mearly tring to explain what God's Word says without contradiction.
It's good that you're not upset. I didn't think you were.

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the passage in rev. is talking about those who are able to here ,
I have read what you've written, but I still haven't seen a direct response to my question. What do you do with "whosoever will" and "freely?" When your doctrine teaches that nobody can "will" and there is no "freely?"

I don't believe that there are any contradictions about predestination, and the only apparent contradictions are due to the redefinitions of terms by the system of Calvinism. Ephesians 1 is actually very clear on what is predestinated -- your choice is not a predestined choice (that would not be choice or belief -- that's just programming) -- your belief comes before your salvation, as is apparent in the same chapter. The sequence of events is actually quite clear; what is predestinated is actually quite clear. It is Calvinism that muddies the waters and turns the Lord's invitation to drink freely of the water of life into an empty plea.