[chette777]

of course John 3:16 is not difinitve for Gods salvation for the elect only or anyone for that matter. it is proof he loves the whole world including sinner who will go to hell. it is his will none shoud perish. But he knows that all will not beleive

The other verses shared in earlier post are clear that Jesus did die even for those who will not beleive as well as those who do.

no one ever implied that all men without exception will be saved. the choice is in the hand of each man as he hears the gospel. that is how John discribes it as well to the one who beleives everlasting life to those who do not everlasting condemnation.

the sheep may have an applicable lesson for the church today. but there is another interpretatin, a historical interpretation, the lost sheep that Christ gathers before his cross are all Jews. for he was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. he say my sheep hear my voice, hearing his voice before the cross was a historical and many Jews believed and none were lost. today no difference between the house of Israel and Gentile, all hear the voice of God via the scriptures. and have their choice to beleive or not.

the Jacob and Easu text is out of context for God only prefered to go through Jacob and not Esau for the lineage of Christ. Hate does not always carry with it the idea of of aboration. in this case and the case of Who so ever doesn't hate his mother father sister or brother statement it is not of an abhoration but of preference. we must prefere Christ above even our closest family.

English words have over the last 300 years have degenerated to such levels that many do not know some of the other meanings other than the Negative ones attached to them. a good reading for those who would like to learn more on the degeneration of English words get a copy of "By Definition, a readers guide tothe King James Bible" by James W Knox.