05-13-2008, 09:19 PM
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Love me for Telling the Truth
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Originally Posted by George
Brother Jerry,
Are you saying that my definition of the "heart" is "wacky"? If you are - PROVE IT! (with Scripture - NOT Strong's or whatever other "Authority" you may use) Are you saying that when I study the scriptures by comparing scripture with scripture (the way that the scriptures say we should) that I'm "winging it"? If you are - PROVE IT! (with Scripture - NOT Strong's or whatever other "Authority" you may use).
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No! I do not take what he has said that way. I truly think you are reading into what he wrote.
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Originally Posted by George
My "Final Authority" is the "scripture of truth" i.e. the King James Bible - NOT what some Apostate "scholar" (Strong) "thinks" a Hebrew or Greek word "means". You say you believe the King James Bible is the word of God - then why do you run to Strong's to get the "meaning" or the "definition" of a Hebrew or Greek word in our "ENGLISH" Bible?
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It is not wrong to run to Strong’s to see what he says a word means. It is wrong to stand completely on Strong’s as a final authority.
If we are to engage into an intellectual study we must not be ignorant of all the facets pertaining to that issue. That means that we must not be in the dark concerning Greek or Hebrew just as we should not be in the dark as to English. Take Peter S. Ruckman for example: it is quite clear from the writings I have read from him that he is well versed in the Greek, for he makes mention of Greek words dozens of times and as well teaches it as has taught it for some time. So, we must not fault someone from wanting to know what it says, even if what it says is exactly as it is written in the King James Authorized Bible.
You must understand that many in our day have been inundated with the idea that Greek or Hebrew for that matter is different than what is written in our King James Authorized Bible. It pays folk, especially those of the KJAB camp to be learned enough to answer those that have been influenced by such an idea. It is not wrong to have ones fears quenched in the light of investigative research. Now, I am fully aware that at times and probably more often than not, people do come to the wrong estimation in regards to some Greek or Hebrew word. In those cases, it is our job to prove that estimation to be off the mark and the KJAB translated it just fine.
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Originally Posted by George
Don't you think that the 50 or so scholars who translated the Hebrew or Greek words into English knew what they were doing? Then why are you running to Strong's to get the Hebrew or Greek "variations"?
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You talk about the variations that exist in Strong’s, but here are the FACTS: the Greek language of the New Testament has only a 5,000 word vocabulary, however, the English language in an unabridged English dictionary has over 500,000 words. Therefore, the possibility for variation in the English is vastly more grater than in New Testament Greek. Strong’s does not have very much to play with in the Greek.
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Originally Posted by George
"I'm happy for you" - Well I'm not "happy for you", because at every opportunity you make these little "snide remarks"; these "innuendos"; these little "smart alec" replies that may suffice for you, but only reveal that you cannot deal with issues up front and "face to face" (like a real man).
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Again, you are reading into what he wrote! You keep TWISTING what he says. My friend, that’s man to man. In fact, quit acting like a baby and GROW UP!!!! You need to take the advice of Paul the Apostle, and this is strait from the ENGLISH of the King James Authorized Bible: “When I was child I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things” (1Cor. 13:11).
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Originally Posted by George
Use all the "helps" you want; lean on the "scholars" (lost & saved) all you want; but when it comes to real Bible study, we are not told in the scriptures to look to "others" for understanding.
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I can say this, at least at this point no one is looking to you for understanding!
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The testimony of Scripture is that: Our "understanding" of the words of God come from God Himself - NOT some Lexicon; Concordance; or Dictionary! And when I want to know what God has to say on a matter or issue I sure am not going to go to some "scholastic" Reprobate - just because he matriculated and paid his dues to the "scholars union".
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That’s your prerogative, but blasting a fellow with hardness is not the best way to go about it. You catch more fly’s with honey my friend.
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Originally Posted by George
Did I say something that would lead a brother to "a wrong conclusion"? (There's that "innuendo" again!) If I did - say it! Prove it! and if I didn't why "hint" at it?
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No, you did not and for that I applaud you! Hence, it is not what you said but more precisely how you said it that was wrong. Again the Bible: "Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. " (Col. 4:6).
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You "know" you are "righteous" when you have "believed" in Him, who is "RIGHTEOUS" - our living "righteously" doesn't "ADD" anything to our righteousness - which is THE LORD JESUS CHRIST". I answered the question in depth - why do you ALWAYS have to CRITICIZE?
You're remarks only "CLOUD" the issue and we should be seeking to edify the brethren instead of some kind of "spitting" contest to demonstrate who's the best man.
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Someone call a doctor he’s foaming at the mouth!!!!
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Originally Posted by George
Grow up! Edify! Stop straining at gnats and swallowing camels!  |
Please take the Bible seriously, for it says: “A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.” (Prov. 15:1).
I know I am in rare form tonight, so, please forgive my uncouthness.
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- “One accurate measurement is worth more than a thousand expert opinions”
- “...this is the Word of God; come, search, ye critics, and find a flaw; examine it, from its Genesis to its Revelation, and find an error... This is the book untainted by any error; but is pure, unalloyed, perfect truth. Why? Because God wrote it. Ah! charge God with error if you please; tell him that his book is not what it ought to be. I have heard men, with prudish and mock-modesty, who would like to alter the Bible; and (I almost blush to say it) I have heard ministers alter God's Bible, because they were afraid of it... Pity they were not born when God lived far—far back that they might have taught God how to write.” Charles Haddon Spurgeon (Spurgeon's Sermons Volume 1: Sermon II p. 31)
- “If, therefore, any do complain that I have sometimes hit my opponents rather hard, I take leave to point out that 'to everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the sun' : 'a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embracing' : a time for speaking smoothly, and a time for speaking sharply. And that when the words of Inspiration are seriously imperilled, as now they are, it is scarcely possible for one who is determined effectually to preserve the Deposit in its integrity, to hit either too straight or too hard.” Dean John William Burgon (The Revision Revised. pp. vii-viii)
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