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Old 02-19-2009, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Beltfed_0331 View Post
"I recently was visited by a man from Jehovah Witness's door knocking program. It was a short visit and began with him asking me if God would really create a place to torment people for all eternity. Especially after giving us the gift of life. I asked how he felt concerning Rev. 21:8. He proceeded to explain how the word Hell is misinterpreted in the Bible. Hell in thier minds is the grave. I am firm in my belief that God has preserved his Word for all man. I hope to place a seed in this man’s heart with the scripture. Do any of you have any suggestions for the next visit he intends to make to my house? They can sometimes frustrate me with their admitting they believe the Bible and then go on to say that word is wrong. I want to be as pleasant as possible while presenting a scriptural and intellectual argument to the ridiculous teachings he has been lead to believe."
Aloha Beltfed_0331,

I have found that the best way to deal with JW'S is to present them with the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you try to talk with them about the Salvation, Heaven, Hell, or any of a dozen "topics" they will just give you the "run-around". The one thing they don't like to talk about is Jesus Christ, and WHO He really is.

The following outline may be of some help in presenting the Lord Jesus Christ to a Jehovahs Witness. Normally they will think up some "excuse" to leave by the time you get through 1 or 2 of the main points. Jehovahs Witnesses cannot abide by the truth!

First things first: ESTABLISH THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS CHRIST & JEHOVAH!

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

ASK THE QUESTION: WHO?

#1. WHO IS THE CREATOR?
#2. WHO IS OUR SAVIOUR?
#3. WHO IS THE FIRST & LAST?
#4. WHO IS IT THAT EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW & EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS TO?
#5. WHO SHARE’S GOD’S GLORY?
#6. WHO IS EQUAL TO GOD?


ASK: WHO IS THE CREATOR?

ASK: Who is the Creator? =
JESUS CHRIST

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

ASK: Who is the Creator? =
JEHOVAH (KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Isaiah 42:5
Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 45:12
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

ASK: Are Jesus Christ and Jehovah two Creators?
(KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

(These verses establish that the LORD (Jehovah) created ALONE! That is - BY HIMSELF!)

Ask again: who is the Creator?


ASK: WHO IS OUR SAVIOUR?

ASK: After each verse, Who is our Saviour? =
GOD or Jesus Christ?

Titus 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour; (GOD = Our Saviour)

Titus 1:4 To
Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. (JESUS CHRIST = Our Saviour)

Titus
2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. (GOD = Our Saviour)

Titus
2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (JESUS CHRIST = Our Saviour)

Titus 3:4
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, (GOD = Our Saviour)

Titus3:6
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; (JESUS CHRIST = Our Saviour)

ASK: Who is our Saviour? God or Jesus Christ? Or God & Jesus Christ?

Isaiah 49:26
And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. (KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

ASK: Do we have two Saviours? – Jesus Christ & Jehovah? (KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is nosaviour.

(These verses establish that there is no Saviour other than God. God is our ONLY Saviour!)

Ask again: Who is our Saviour?


ASK: WHO IS THE FIRST & THE LAST?

ASK: Who is the First and the Last? -
CHRIST

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (JESUS CHRIST)

Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (JESUS CHRIST)

Revelation
1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: (JESUS CHRIST)

(These verses establish that the Lord Jesus Christ
is the First and Last.)

ASK: Who is the First and the Last? -
JEHOVAH (KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Isaiah 48:12
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. (JEHOVAH)

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (JEHOVAH)

(These verses establish the LORD Jehovah as the First and the Last.)

Ask again: Who is the First and the Last?


ASK:EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW & EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS TO WHO?

ASK: Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to who? –
JESUS CHRIST

Romans
14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. (GOD)

Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (JESUS CHRIST)

ASK: Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to who? –
JEHOVAH

Isaiah 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (JEHOVAH – KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Ask again: Who is it that every knee shall bow to and every tongue shall confess to?


ASK: WHO SHARE’S GOD’S GLORY?

ASK: Does God share His Glory with anyone? –
JESUS CHRIST

Hebrews
13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. (JESUS CHRIST receives Glory.)

Hebrews1:1
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (JESUS CHRIST is the Brightness of God’s Glory.)

Romans
16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. (GOD gets Glory through JESUS CHRIST.)

John
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

(JESUS CHRIST states: That He shared God’s Glory and that God gave Him Glory!)

ASK: Does God share His Glory with anyone? (KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

{JEHOVAH
states: That He will not give His Glory to another!}

Ask again: Does God give or share His Glory with anyone?


ASK: WHO IS GOD?

ASK: Who is God? –
JESUS CHRIST

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(
These verses establish that JESUS CHRIST IS EQUAL WITH GOD!).

ASK: Who is God? –
JEHOVAH (KJB – LORD = Jehovah)

Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

(These verses establish there is but ONE GOD: THE LORD GOD JEHOVAH!)

Ask again: Who is God?

I have only been able to go through all six points with a Jehovahs Witness ONLY ONCE (in 1973) - that was with a young Jehovahs Witness & his wife (and they got saved!). I have never been able to go through all six points with any other Jehovahs Witness since then!