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Originally Posted by Forrest
Thanks for the response. And I get what you're saying. For me, the references I gave on post #70 all apply to me today.
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Originally Posted by pbiwolski
The answer is yes and no. Yes, in the practicle sense where it applies to the new man vs. the old man. No, in the doctrinal sense where certain ideas cannot be enforced upon a believer in Christ.
I know this is tricky. Rightly dividing gets tough in when it is dealing with things that have not yet happened ("Hindsight is 20-20"!).
The trick is to realize when there is "double application" of scripture. It does not happen often, and is therefore often confusing. Try not to read these passages only in their doctrinal setting, or rather read them understanding the possibility that it won't all apply doctrinally to you. If it does not, read it considering what you can learn for your day to day walk in the Christain life.
I'm sorry, I've got to go. I should be able to get back to this some time tomorrow. I hope this doesn't "leave you hanging"!
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I John 1
7 But
if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
The verse has a condition to it,
if.
Now, to all those who assumed that a particular post`s author is only expressing a strict doctrinal interpretation of what he shared sincerely to the thread readers : Please, do not over look the conditions applied to each verse of your quoted scriptures in all of each your posts as I have done. The conditional word that many have over looked can completely change the meaning GOD intended.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. II Timothy 3:16,17
Now apply II Timothy 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
Now review all of my post and I think you can see clearly the conditional, practical, and future relevance that
I John 1:9 has to all of this.
While you are in II Timothy take a close look at 2:16
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Each day we all have to choose to continue walk in the light. Hence, refer to my post #71 and from this understand the practical application of the sin unto death
Now, before you all get flared up and stiffed necked, I believe: once saved always saved, unconditionally.
I believe,
if you accept the LORD Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour with all your heart, meaning that those whosoever will admit personally to the LORD Jesus Christ right now: they are a sinner headed for hell, which will be eternal damnation; and call on his name (Romans 10:13) are saved out of the love (John 3:16) and the grace(Ephesians 2:8) that GOD showed when he gave his only begotten Son, CHRIST JESUS[born of a virgin(Matthew 1:23)], who they took to Golgotha to the place called Calvary, there they crucified him on the cross , with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water (look in all of the Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Old Testament prophecy).
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
No one can look into another`s heart and know if they are genuine except for one, and he paid the supreme price for all our sins whether you want to name them past present, future, practical, or doctrinal; he paid the price of sin for "whosoever".Act 8:35,36,37
Now read Romans 14:10,11,12 and tell me you do not see the present, future, practical, and need for the doctrinal Confessing of ones sins.
God`s law is our standard for living not for salvation(Romans 3:20).
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. Mathew 23:23
23 Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and
have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
Does any one reading this post think, that since you are save by grace; you have been given a license or divine right to sin? Yes or No
If you say YES, GOD HELP YOU, I have noticed Ephesians 4:30 used contrary to its meaning someone check all these posts on "Should Christians search their hearts and confess their sins?"
Ephesians 4:30
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
It means You are saved by grace and you are bought with a price. God is Holy and you are going to heaven without a doubt but if you sin and grieve the Holy Spirit God may say that is enough of your hypocrisy and you will experience the price of sin.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The debt of sin will be paid: with a price of eternal damnation(the unforgivable sin) for those who refuse to accept Christ Jesus as their Saviour
or
The debt of sin will be paid: with a price of in practical or literal terms physical death(the death unto sin) and also in future spirtual terms at
the Judgement seat of Christ YOU SHALL BE ASHAMED. Which is for Christian that hurts the cause of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ by living an ungodly wicked life claiming and teaching by your actions that once you are saved you have a license or divine right to sin
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God
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18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. II peter 3:18