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Originally Posted by Josh
Predestination? Do you mean the Calvinistic heresy that says God created men to send them to hell with no way out?
No, it's not impossible. You can sin, backslide, and yes, even stop believing, but if you're saved then you are SAVED glory to God!
This passage is very simple: "if we deny him, he also will deny us:", this is if we reject the gospel. If we deny Christ, He will deny us before the Father. He that denies Christ is anti-christ. "if we believe not, yet he abideth faithfull: he cannot deny himself.", this means simply if we quit believing, He cannot deny Himself and "unsave" us. We will lose rewards, "but he himself shall be saved".
In Christ,
Josh
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Greetings,
When you say you can stop believing and you are still saved, you are adding words to this verse that are simply not there. If the verse that says "if
we deny Him, He will also deny
us" was referring to the ungodly that have never been saved, then Paul would not have used the pronouns "we" and "us". Instead he would have used terms like "they" and "them". You will notice that in the same context, Paul says that "if we suffer with him, we shall also reign with him". I hope that we all believe that this a promise to those that Christ is returning for. I have two questions for you about this verse.
Since you believe that the "we" that deny Him is those who have never been saved, what about the "we" in the sentence previous to that? Next question. Why does Paul use the word "if" we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with Him, seeing that this has been already settled when we first got saved? Do we really suffer with Him simply by saying a sinners prayer? Can we backslide, as you say, and really say that we have suffered with Him? Think about it.