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Originally Posted by Luke
You do know that Antinomian means lawless one? One without Law? How you can accuse us of that is incomprehensible (unless you assume a straw man which you have already knocked down in your mind)
Without the Law, it is impossible to get saved. For by the law is the knowledge of sin. The law is a schoolmaster which brings us to Christ.
I am not antinomian. But the law has NO place in actual salvation, except conviction of sins, and making one realise they are a sinner. That comes BEFORE salvation. Go back now and read your little www.jesus-is-lord.com and get all your teaching from a woman who believes you can lose your salvation. (Well, how about that! I just made an assumption about you!) |
Concerning loosing ones salvation. I do think it is possible for one to loose their salvation (of course this fact hinges entirely on the fact that I believe we do indeed have free will).
Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So you tell me this; if a man today who professed Jesus Christ (let's just assume for now that he believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that His sacrificial death was for his sins) were to remove verses he doesn't like from Revelation and then declare his rewrite the true book of Revelation, would God not keep to what is written here in Revelation? Would that man keep what we all hope for?
Concerning those that are against the Law, the Antinomians:
Hebrews 10:26-31 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Indeed, praise Jehovah God! I do not think this is talking about just sin in general but a complete disregard for the Blood we once put our faith in, and then a turning away to walk in a life of complete sin. I think this is the context to keep in mind here.)
Romans 8:5-8 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." (So what does it say about those that call themselves Christians that DO indeed continually mind the things of the flesh more often than the things of the Spirit? I speak from the perspective of an outsider. Only God knows the heart of man)
1 Peter 1:15-16 "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (Notice that Peter is quoting from the Leviticus 11:44 here. If it is of no effect for a Christian to find practical application to God's Law, not ceremonial Law, then why would Peter quote from such?)
James 2:14-17 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." (if you think James is speaking of the works of Law, then read and read again. Also read that he asks questions in regard to salvation, unless I'm mistaken, he never says that a man without works will not be saved, but rather that his faith is dead, like a tree that failed to bear fruit. Perhaps this is how we shall know those of Christ and not of Christ?)
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (I think this verse really sheds light on the role of works, as in the Law of Christ Jesus, in our faith)
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord
Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". (Sweet and blessed OBEDIENCE!)
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Jeremiah 7:8-10 "Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?"
So I ask all Christians this, is Jesus truly your Saviour when Helel is your lord? If you believe that Jesus is your Lord (and I'm guessing many of you will think this when I ask that question) then I would point you to Christ Jesus' own Words:
Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
for Jesus' sake,
Stephen
"...I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house."
Ezekiel 2:4, 6
"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
The Lord Jesus Christ, John 12:48