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Old 11-09-2008, 01:27 PM
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This is stupid

One one side we have the people who are up in arms about:

"Loves the sinner but hates the sin" isn't biblical and preachers only use it to get quick decisions and let people live in sin because God loves the sinner etcetc.

On the other hand we have the people who are saying

"God loved me while I was a sinner, and he loves me now".

The only verses you can find to show God hates sinners are PRE CALVARY. Which is also what Romans 5:8 is.

So you are both right. Let God be sovereign in this issue. He hates the wicked. Yet He loves the wicked at that same time. God is perfect. Can He not do these two things and still not be perfect?

Seeing christians argue over whether God loves or hates sinners (who He died for) is childish.

Furthermore, it is really hurting me to see it (not that I matter, but I am quite weak in the faith, and this topic is not edifying - I know I have the choice to read it or not, but it shouldn't even be brought up).

God loves sinners. He died for them. He didn't suddenly start hating them after Calvary. And I wasn't even born when He died for me, and He still loved me then. Yes, God hates sin. And God hates those that do sin. But you can't just form your own opinions based on some false doctrine someone preached one time. Just because someone was convinced that they could go on in sin doesn't make the whole teaching wrong.

This topic makes me sick.