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Old 05-31-2009, 02:00 PM
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Tony,
Sorry to pull you back into this thread but there's another question I'd like to ask you and I'd like to comment on something you wrote, if you wouldn't mind.

I've never felt that I fully understood this verse about the seed of the woman:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I understood that the seed of the woman refers to Christ but I know I'm still missing something. I don't know how God's seed (Christ) could be called the woman's seed. Did God form Eve with His 'latent' seed inside her that He would 'activate' when the time came? Or is it called her seed as a literary device? to contrast with the norm being the man's seed? That seems like a shallow view to me. What do you think? What does anybody else think?


You said, "It tells us the Adamic sin nature of humanity is passed through the seed of the male, not the female. If these giants were the offspring of angels, then angels must have male seed and blood. Where is the sin nature if angels are not descended from Adam?
The giants then must have been born sinless, and we know only one Man was sinless."

I've wondered in the past why apparently the nephilim couldn't be saved since they were half human. Surely this wasn't your intent but you may have helped me with that question. I see merit in your view that sin nature comes down through the father. If we apply it to the giants,and for argument's sake assume they are the children of fallen angels, they didn't have a human sin nature because that comes through the father, not the mother. What kind of nature do fallen angles have? A fallen nature is an inherited thing so angels don't have it; but would their offspring, if they had any, inherit a fallen or sin nature? In my view, Genesis 6, as well passages dealing with Israel wiping out the giants, portray them as an entirely different kind of evil from what came before or after. God found it necessary to wipe them from the face of the earth by flood the first time and though Israel the second time.

Your sister in Christ,

Jennifer
Sister, I am not trying to be argumentative, that is the venue of the FFF forum. I remembered something when I was researching the Two Witnesses thread and Enoch and what an important similitude, like-figure Enoch is. My point is, on the sons of God of Genesis 6, as soon as I can see a similitude to them, or them pointing to something else as a similitude, then my position might change. I don't expect it to due to this sin-nature precept, but with God all things are possible.

Genesis 3:15 is taken and streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetched a light year to prove Cain was the product of sexual union between Eve and Satan. This provides a convenient foundation for racist bigotry against, well, what ever race a given proponent of this false doctrine may have, most notably blacks. This is part of the "christian occultism" thing we have discussed, and occultic practices manifest in the Church age you and I have a slight disagreement on. I'm not saying you beleive this particularly, I'm just saying others include it in their doctrines and intepretations, along with ghosts, demons, and possessions.

Specifically, Genesis 3:15 does not teach a race of half-Satan/half human entities, but Jesus Christ clears it up here. I included the whole passage top preserve context:

John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Yea, hath God said? Christ was born of one seed, the seed of the woman of Genesis 3:15, the liars who deny Christ, His work, His Deity, His position as Messiah to Israel and Savior of the whole world, all liars are of the "seed" of Satan.

I'll continue to address this question with you as much as you want or need. I'm sorry I cut Kevin short in the other thread but I am not repeating myself on the heresy of Christ having a sin-nature. I replied and gave Scripture for my position, it was not good enough, and I'm not going around and around about it.

Grace and peace sister

Tony

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