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Old 02-09-2009, 11:43 AM
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Total depravity...All Calvinists beleive in a free will.

But it is under the control of the LORD and his soveriegnty.
Need the Holy Ghost wooing.
Need the preacher preaching, and need the eternal word.
Need the person's choice to believe.
There are many things that are NEEDED for salvation.
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Unconditional Election...this is only what you have been taught.

You did NOT get this from just the Bible alone.
Private interpretation. Just as you confuse Calvinism and claim a man made doctrine.
You have just done the same.
He called us and knew us BEFORE the world ever was.
Unconditional election is simply showing the GROUNDS for salvation.
Just like in point one, there are many things NEEDED in salvation, yet they are not the ground of our salvation.
The preacher, the word, the Holy Ghost wooing and convicting, the person choosing to trust the word of the LORD.
These are all simply conditions that need to be met.
But the ground of salvation is in God's own love.
God so chooses as pleases him.
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Limited Atonement...is efectual only in those that are choosen from the foundation of the world.
Even though God would LIKE all to be saved... he nows it would not bring about the most amount of good, nor bring glory to God.
So he at least makes sure of those that are his.
We know that God's WILLING in Peter is not that all will indeed be saved.
But the word willing is in the same framework as strong desires.
God sees fit to not allow certain to be saved, as they fill out certain conditions.
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Irresistable Grace... is irresistable to those whom he has choosen before the foundation of the world. In other words None of whom are his will be lost. None of whom he wisely chooses will ulimately reject him.
Is it possible to reject God? Yes, but God works efectually in those whom are saved according to God.
Yes, God dies for all, but does that mean ALL WILL be saved? No.
We choose the grace of God but our action is never alone. That is because a saving choice is preceded and dovetailed with God's Soveriegnty.
God woos and we respond.
To the believer, he works efectively.
To the Unbeliever he is now the judge that they have to deal with eventually.
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Perseverance Of The Saints
Rapture is a man made doctrine.
Especially pre-trib.
That was promoted by a Catholics as was Amillenialism.
Even Darby [I believe] had a Catholic background.
If GOD chooses us, FIRST by the calling and wooing of the Holy Ghost and bringing the word to us, and then elects us to be his own, choosing a few out of the many, making sure his calling is efective, then of course we will be preserved. He will loose none.
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Surely the Remonstrance is over many hundred years ago.
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PeterAV
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