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Originally Posted by chette777

yeah Those who don't believe in a Gap have a time not answering the question of when did God create these horses. It is because the Bible is not clear on things that were created from Everlasting. But in every reference of these heavenly horses it is obvious they were not earthly horses created anytime during the 6 day creation nor are they from any earthly steed since then. They are a special creation done at some place and time not located on earth or during an earthly time measurement.

That is true. I'm not sure if we can do more than speculate, for instance, on where the mineral garden was located. I personally think it was on Earth in the very spot that God later created the Garden of Eden for Adam. The real question is: when was the mineral garden created? I think in Genesis 1:1 along with heaven, earth and the angelic host and whatever else we aren't told about.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2a And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

It seems apparent just from comparing these verses that the earth was judged between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Unless I have missed something (which is entirely possible), I can only speculate that it makes sense that God originally gave the earth to Lucifer. When he fell, the earth was destroyed. Maybe by water? Perhaps by more than water? I don't know, but the earth was covered by water in Genesis 1:2.

Also, I am convinced (without being dogmatic) that Romans 8:18-23 assures us that with the lifting of the curse that Adam brought on mankind, as well as on those things that God put under man's dominion, death will be utterly destroyed. How can death be absolutely, completely, utterly defeated if some dead creatures (like animals) remain dead? Those who neglect or reject God's salvation through Christ don't remain dead; they are resurrected, judged, then thrown into the Lake of Fire, the Second Death.

Romans
8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Please note: "And not only they", meaning the creature. They are not the only ones which groan within themselves for the redemption of man, the lifting of the curse of Adam. The animal kingdom, indeed all of creation groans for the redemption of mankind and the lifting of the curse that our race brought on creation. This probably also applies to angelic groaning for sin and death to be destroyed and for all things to be subdued unto the Son who will subject Himself unto the Father who put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians
15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.