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Old 03-25-2009, 07:12 PM
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Now you never remarked on the false statement you made concerning God creating things that are not mentioned in scriptures? you know you were wrong in making such a dogmatic statement as that. there are plenty of things God has created that are not mentioned in the Bible and if he is silent on them then why would he not be silent on a pure earth perfect in creation and in full light of his glory before verse two of Genesis?

The all that is in them statement is in silence at best concerning the creation of Angelic beings. therefore is not conclusive that it included Angles, Cherubs, Cherubim and Seraphim's. these beings exist out side the heavens you and I see. This statement has its limit and that is all that is within the firmament of which he created to contain all his creations during the 6 days. on our 7th day he rested nothing took place. on the eight day the serpent comes and spoils their parade on the ninth they are kicked out of heaven. now it may not be clear as to those actual days. but how long does it take for man to be tempted? 1 week? one year? man doesn't need even one minute to be tested.

some of you want to put Adam sinless in a garden for many days or years before he was tempted. but there is no need for that. it would only bolster that man is good enough to have made it many days or years before he fell. that there is something naturally outside of sin nature in man. look at Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. this is the New Jerusalem he is talking about. there is not TQ and they are under the same requirement as Adam keep the commandments. the next verse tells us those who don't are dogs, sorcerers, whoremongerers, murderers, idolaters and liars these are people who had failed to keep the commandments. how long did it take after the City was set upon the earth? I tell you only a few hours to prove they can not keep one commandment.


As far as the our current situation God has never gone beyond our current 24/7 TQ in dealing with men in any form of fashion. He has chosen to limit himself to it and all his dealing with man are within those bounds.

You would have beginning inside the 24/7 or outside the 24/7?

The term beginning is inspired to give you and idea of a starting point not a starting point. however you must understand and it is plainly written in the scriptures that the 24/7TQ did not exist nor was not established until day one. Eternity has no staring point and no ending point it always is and always will be.

But for you and I we have and exist in a 24/7 TQ that God created for us specifically on day one as written in verses 3-5 not in the beginning of verse 1. Verse one is in eternity Verse 3 onward through all of scriptures until Rev 21:11 is in a 24/7TQ. If you deny that the 24/7TQ was created and established in verses 3-5 on day one you are showing disbelief in God's word. Days of 24 hours did not exist before that. this is why Peter and the Psalmist agree that a day to God is not a 24 hour period but longer. But for us a day since verse 3 they have been made 24 hour days.

Now if Seraphim's were made after the first day of the six day creation. you would have God go without a wheeled throne and without the covering Cherub until after day 4 of the 6 day creation. which I doubt very seriously. He already had a throne and it is the one Lucifer wanted to replace with his throne, being his only that he was the architect of one that existed on the earth in eternity before verse two of Genesis.