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Old 03-04-2008, 07:44 AM
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so do you believe God chose who was to be lost and who was to be saved?
yes,

Rom. 9:11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

before these children were born not having done any good or evil God chose one and not the other.

Eph. 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world , that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

we were chosen before the foundation of the world, we don't choose God he chose us.

Or do you believe the "any" is the elect? yes

i think your reading to much into the foreknow , he created us therefore he knew us , as in the above verse in romans before the children were born one God loved and one God hated.

so do you believe there is nothing you have to do , Jesus did it all , all you have to do is believe?
jim