Hi Steve. I did notice that you didn't stay around too long at bible.org. It was sorta a hit and run thing. Now I remember treating your ethically and sincerely. Hope you do the same.
There are lot of things that Wallace says that I do not like but he sure has been a thorn in the side of many a KJVO supporter. I remember reading somewhere here about someone must use a Oxford dictionary.... I thought that was very good point that Wallace began..... Till such, all you ever heard out of the KJVO believers was ....Webster this and Webster that....
I always couldn't quite grasp someone promoting the definitions of a man that produced his own version of the bible... and then these same people calling those who believe different horrible names. I mean if Webster did it and you like his definitions... then why fuss at anyone else?
By the way... Wallace wasn't the exclusive commentator on the OT for the .NET version.
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Are the poor and the needy (you left them out) "as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times". Is that your understanding of the Biblical teaching ?
Are they preserved "from this generation for ever" unto eternal life with the Lord Jesus Christ ? Are some "preserved" unto damnation and separation from God ? Would that be Biblical preservation ? Is each individual and generation passing away, to be replaced with new individuals and generations.
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What God said about the poor is sure. Pure as silver tried in the furnace of the earth. What Jesus said about the poor being with us always is pure and true.
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Now, can you allow that the words of God could be purified and preserved from this generation for ever ? Endureth forever. It looks above that you agree that this is true Bible, yet are you adamant that this is not the teaching of Psalm 12 ? Very curious. While you have to do an exegetical flying leap to try to convince someone that God's "preservation" and purification is only the poor (and please don't ferget the needy, they should not be cast aside for the poor) not the words of God.
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No need to try to put words in my mouth. I never said it was only to the poor. I said here it is talking about the poor and I'll add needy...so as to not leave them out. I gave scripture that witness that very truth.
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Simply because John Gill or Daniel Wallace tells you there is a grammatical gender issue, for that reason you are sure that the word of God is not preserved in Psalm 12 ? Even after looking at the whole verse in context (see page 1 of this thread). Or are you concerned that the King James Bible might have this true and right and that is what a smidgen discomfiting ?
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First of all....I never said that God has not preserved His word. Second, just because I believe He has.... doesn't confine me to believe that is only found exclusively in the KJV. Such is not one in the same. I am not concerned at all about being discomforted by the KJV.
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Now, you say you believe the word of God is preserved, taught elsewhere in the Bible. What are your favorite verses for teaching your view that the word of God "endureth forever" and "lives forever" ? Please share with us the source of this belief and how you express it from the word of God.
And how do you know the verses you share are themselves pure -- if you do not recognize the pure Bible anywhere in the world today ? Could they be mistranslations or redactions or interpolations or other smasheroos ?
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Did I say... taught else where in the bible? Nope... Could you provide the quote where I said it?
The Word of God is not bound to any written form. It is true no matter if they world passes away and all the things therein are burned with a fervant heat. They will and shall endure forever. They are true and they endure forever because the Son of God is alive forever more.
Can you explain how the word of God in the KJV will survive forever? I mean you take all these verses to literally be fulfilled in a text that will burn up in the fire mentioned in 2 Peter chapter 3. Is God going to salvage the KJV from the fire? What about what Jeremiah foretold and the writer of hebrews spoke about in
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
The Word of God will endure forever because it will be written on the hearts and in the minds of the eternal saints of God. Your belief in that preservation talking place only the KJV doesn't stand the test of the scriptures themselves.....
Tell me me how the KJV is going to survive all these things?