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Originally Posted by herami
And again-
when did I say the "coming" in Matt 24 is the rapture of the church?
Please try to concentrate on what I actually say.
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That's exactly the point.
Since the Church and the Rapture is not in view, then "all these things" have to be the SIGN of the Second Coming.
Therefore, to say that "the beginning of sorrows" is in the Church Age is INCONSISTENT. "The beginning of sorrows" and "the great tribulation" -- "all these things" are a SIGN of the Second Coming.
Matt 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
KJV
Matt 24:33
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
KJV