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Old 09-29-2008, 07:15 PM
herami
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1. "Midweek" Rapture has the same problem with "Midtrib" Rapture - both have the church into the "midst" of Daniel's 70th week. Was not the 70th week one of the major arguments why there are Pre-tribbers?

What is happening now is a change in terminology so one can claim to be Pre-trib by changing "midtrib" to "midweek". Midweek rapture is the same as "pre-wrath" rapture - the Midtribbers' term. Both use the same approach - they have the church having part in Daniel's prophecy.
No, not at all the same.
Prewrath claims that God's wrath starts somewhere WITHIN the tribulation.

What you have failed to show is even ONE verse that Daniel's last week is ALL tribulation.
You don't make the other 69 weeks the tribulation. What makes you so sure that all of the last week is the tribulation.
The hard truth is that you are NOT sure, but going only on what you've always been taught about the last week.

The tribulation is referred to as "fourty and two months" and "one thousand two hundred and threescore days" throughout the book of Revelation.

the burden of proof lies on you to show that it is otherwise.



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The words "Tribulation Period" and "Rapture" are terms not found in Scripture but used to describe a Biblical doctrine or event. One does not have to look for the word "Rapture" to prove that there is a rapture. Why are week to look for a verse that calls the whole week a "Tribulation Period"? Is there a verse in the Bible that says the first half is NOT "tribulation"?
for the very reasons I posted above. The tribulation is always referred to as HALF the wekk, NOt the whole week.

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Daniel's 70th week is Tribulation period:
1st half - beginning of sorrows
2nd half - great tribulation
This is pure conjecture.

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If the church will be raptured "midweek", why not "postweek"? The last half is indeed "great tribulation", but where do one get Scriptural proof that the church won't go through the great trib and be raptured before the second coming (ex. Rev. 6:18)?
Because that would put the church in the tribulation, and we are not appointed unto wrath.

It is incumbent upon you to prove that the Trib is anything else than what the book of Revelation and Daniel 12 describes it to be.

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Failure to distinguish between Daniel's prophecy concerning ISRAEL and Paul's mystery of the CHURCH will give way to every wind of doctrine.
Absolutely true.
Here's what Paul said about that time period-

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

2 Thes 2:1-3


The Day of Christ is NOT the Day of the Lord. It is Paul's term for the gathering (rapture; see verse 1)