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Old 05-12-2009, 07:52 AM
tandy1650
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Originally Posted by chette777 View Post
When we say that the salvation of OT is different from that of the Church Age you only have to understand this one thing. I hope I can say this right.

All salvation, in any dispensations, has faith works and grace involved in some way. However the make up or applications of those three things are different

for example salvation under OT law one would do the works of the Law done in faith would acquired you the grace of God.

under the NT Church Age you have been given grace through Faith alone in Christ and you acquire salvation.

In the later grace came first then faith unto salvation. in the OT works by faith came first then you got grace unto salvation.

that's as simple as I can show the difference. and if you agree with that difference then you are a dispensationalist.
"All salvation, in any dispensations, has faith works and grace involved in some way." What does Paul say?

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Brother you can jump through hoops to prove Paul didn't say what he said all you wish. He is showing a man before the law and under the law was imputed righteousness because of his faith. Keeping the ceremonial law had nothing to do with salvation as far as righteousness before God. Works in the Old Testament were "filthy rags" just as they are in the New Testament. Let me tell you a little secret. If you want to know how God dealt with men in the Old Testament just get a concordance and look up the word "heart."

Gen 6:5 ...every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 8:21 ...for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth

Exo 7:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh's heart is hardened

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart

Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

You can find this throughout the Old Testament. Let's go to the New Testament.

Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1Jo 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

God deals with men's hearts and their works prove what kind of hearts they have! That is why you see so many men who claim to be Christians but live their entire lives like devils. They give a mental assent to the gospel and Christianity but their hearts have never been converted. The same goes with a Jew under the law. He could keep all the ordinances and have all the outward appearance of piety yet have a heart just like the Pharisees and go straight to hell.

Many hyper-dispensationsalists refuse to preach about REPENTANCE when it comes to salvation because they turn it into a WORK. Repentance (a heartfelt sorrow for sin and a desire to turn from it) is no more a work than believing the gospel!