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Originally Posted by chette777
When we say that the salvation of OT is different from that of the Church Age you only have to understand this one thing. I hope I can say this right.
All salvation, in any dispensations, has faith works and grace involved in some way. However the make up or applications of those three things are different
for example salvation under OT law one would do the works of the Law done in faith would acquired you the grace of God.
under the NT Church Age you have been given grace through Faith alone in Christ and you acquire salvation.
In the later grace came first then faith unto salvation. in the OT works by faith came first then you got grace unto salvation.
that's as simple as I can show the difference. and if you agree with that difference then you are a dispensationalist.
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"All salvation, in any dispensations, has faith works and grace involved in some way." What does Paul say?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by
works, he hath whereof to glory; but
not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham
believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that
worketh not, but
believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly,
his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as
David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God
imputeth righteousness
without works,
Brother you can jump through hoops to prove Paul didn't say what he said all you wish. He is showing a man
before the law and
under the law was imputed
righteousness because of his
faith. Keeping the ceremonial law had nothing to do with salvation as far as righteousness
before God. Works in the Old Testament were
"filthy rags" just as they are in the New Testament. Let me tell you a little secret. If you want to know how God dealt with men in the Old Testament just get a concordance and look up the word
"heart."
Gen 6:5 ...every imagination of the thoughts of his
heart was only evil continually.
Gen 8:21 ...for the imagination of man's
heart is evil from his youth
Exo 7:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh's
heart is hardened
Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine
heart
Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy
heart and with all thy soul.
You can find this throughout the Old Testament. Let's go to the New Testament.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in
heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his
heart.
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in
heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened.
Rom 10:10 For with the
heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1Jo 3:20 For if our
heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
God deals with men's
hearts and their
works prove what kind of hearts they have! That is why you see so many men who claim to be Christians but live their entire lives like devils. They give a
mental assent to the gospel and Christianity but their
hearts have never been converted. The same goes with a Jew under the law. He could keep all the ordinances and have all the outward appearance of piety yet have a heart just like the
Pharisees and go straight to hell.
Many hyper-dispensationsalists refuse to preach about REPENTANCE when it comes to salvation because they turn it into a WORK. Repentance (a heartfelt sorrow for sin and a desire to turn from it) is
no more a work than believing the gospel!