[George]

TANDI > 05-01-2009 > Factual errors in the Epistle to the Hebrews?> Post #65

“Thank you all for helping me resolve doubts about Hebrews even if I do not have all the answers about seeming discrepancies....yet. I’m still working on it. : )

And, by the way, “there remaineth a keeping of Sabbath to the people of God” according to Hebrews 4:9. God preserved it very clearly in the Greek with the word “sabbatismos.” KJV translators were probably constrained from translating it too literally and chose the English word “rest” but the meaning is preserved in the underlying text.

A topic for another day....if open to discussion.”

Shabbat Shalom,
Tandi the Harmonizer

”Thank you for a label I can wear, George! Now if only I can find fellow Harmonizers to be in like-minded fellowship with. Any here?

More after Shabbat.....during which time I will carefully and prayerfully study all of these recent posts. Thank you all once again for your input.”

Tandi,

I guess you haven’t learned NOT to “let sleeping dogs lie”!

We have had our “differences” and “squabbles” in the past – and if you will notice I haven’t replied to your Questions - Questions? – Always “QUESTIONS” (and DOUBTS) since I promised to “let sleeping dogs lie”:

George’s Post: General Chit-Chat > My Avatar > Post #50 > 03-21-2009

Aloha sister Tandi,

”You said: "I tried to make peace." As far as this matter is concerned, or any more comments about this matter coming from me, and directed at you - you shall have "peace".

I have stated my position as clearly as I possibly could. I am willing to "let sleeping dogs lie" - no pun intended.”

For over a month I kept my part of our “bargain” - but it is obvious from your “snide remark” and “cheap shot” above (“Thank you for a label I can wear, George!” ) that you haven’t learned that it’s not wise to kick an old dog – he still can bite!

I have observed your misinformed remarks & comments for over a month now and have not replied because I was willing to let by-gone’s be BY GONE! But obviously you can’t – or, more likely, WON’T!

And so now is the time for me to review some of your numerous Questions - Questions? – Always “QUESTIONS” (and DOUBTS). And you can be sure that I am going to be “direct” – you told brother Tony that: ”I like your direct approach. No problem there.”

Your latest foray into “intellectual sophistry” is typical of those people who profess to believe the King James Bible – EXCEPT where it runs contrary to their own opinions!

“And, by the way, “there remaineth a keeping of Sabbath to the people of God” according to Hebrews 4:9. God preserved it very clearly in the Greek with the word “sabbatismos.” KJV translators were probably constrained from translating it too literally and chose the English word “rest” but the meaning is preserved in the underlying text. ”

So, if I understand you correctly: The “meaning” is NOT preserved in the King James Bible? Is “the underlying text” your FINAL AUTHORITY in this case? Do you know what it is to have a “double heart”? [Psalm 12:2]; or to be “double minded”? [James 1:8, 4:8] you cannot have it BOTH WAYS – Either the King James Bible is your FINAL AUTHORITY in ALL matters of faith and practices, or it isn’t. And you have proven by your numerous Posts that if the King James Bible “crosses” your private interpretations, you will not hesitate to toss it out for whatever preferred authority agrees with your opinion! James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. {This verse applies to women also.}

You have the Christian “liberty” to believe whatever you want to believe – God has given you that choice. But, on the other hand, when you continually keep pushing your private beliefs and convictions in this Forum, someone has to “take you to task” for the misinformation that you are trying to spread and the obtuse and unenlightened private opinions that you continually try to defend.

You have intimated that you are like the Bereans of old who “. . . . . received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so”; but your Posts betray what you really do – which is: you “received the word of the “Christian” Commentators with all readiness of mind, and searched the “Christian” Commentators daily, whether those things were so!” Your heavy reliance on the "Christian" commentators to answer your numerous questions {Questions - Questions? – Always “QUESTIONS” (and DOUBTS)} reveals a lack of spiritual discernment on your part.

I shall have more to say about some of your Posts shortly, suffice it to say – by your own testimony (i.e. your own “words” in your Posts) you have demonstrated, for all to see, that your interests lay in the “intellectual pursuit” of “Christian” doctrines, and not in the truth of God's Holy word. And that you are indeed a Gentile JUDAIZER, straining at gnats, and pursuing HEBREW precepts and principles (Ordinances & Laws meant only for Israelites under the Law) and are attempting to persuade us to put ourselves back - under the Law (which you have done).

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Paul said about those who were seeking to put themselves back under the Law: "I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." [Galatians 4:11]

Questions - Questions? – Always “QUESTIONS” (and DOUBTS) When it comes to this issue - you have nothing to teach us. As a matter of fact, as a woman, you shouldn’t be trying to instruct us - especially about something you are in such serious error over, and know so little about.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

More to come - LATER.