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Old 03-06-2008, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by grace to me View Post
how can all the world have an opportunity if we are chosen before the foundation of the world ,
Who was chosen before the foundation of the world?
Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
God has predesitinated that those who trust in Christ would be adopted into his family. God has chosen that those who trust and believe would then be sealed with the holy Spirit of promise.

The predestination is that those who believe are to be saved. The choice God has made is the plan of salvation.

This is who the elect are: believers. This election is not "unconditional" -- as Paul says, it is conditioned upon us first believing.

and Before jacob and esau were born God loved one and hated another not having done any good or evil ?
Foreknowledge. Of course God knew that Esau would sell out his birthright.

if we all had the opportunity to be saved by our belief wouldn't that be by the righteousness of two ?
No. Our belief is not righteousness of us. God imputes righteousness to believers:
Romans 4:22-24 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
The dichotomy that you are alluding to simply does not exist, because the Bible states that our belief is not of itself righteousness; our belief is the condition of God's imputation of righteousness.