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Forum: Bible Studies 03-15-2009, 09:25 PM
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Ain't that the truth! What always has, and...

Ain't that the truth!

What always has, and probably always will, bug me, is the fact that 20-50-100 professing Bible-believing Christians come together in the same local church services every...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-14-2009, 05:08 AM
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There is more than one "sea" on this earth, I...

There is more than one "sea" on this earth, I think you'll find that the "sea" in Rev 21:1 is a reference to the huge body of water above the firmament which is "frozen" in Job 38:30-31, this sea is...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-13-2009, 03:25 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
And that creature wouldn't happen to be a talking...

And that creature wouldn't happen to be a talking invertebrate animal with a long, soft body and no legs by any chance, would it? :pound:
Forum: Bible Studies 03-13-2009, 01:27 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
I agree that 2 Cori 5:8 is only for believers,...

I agree that 2 Cori 5:8 is only for believers, being "present with the Lord" is a privileged position indeed, but I'm not convinced that the unsaved don't "meet" God immediately after death.

Amos...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-13-2009, 02:37 AM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking...

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-13-2009, 12:15 AM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
Good points there, and you're right that I am...

Good points there, and you're right that I am making assumptions about things that aren't crystal clear here.

Something else that crossed my mind...according to that book, did anyone actually...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-12-2009, 07:47 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
Agreed, the unsaved even use the very word "hell"...

Agreed, the unsaved even use the very word "hell" in their vocabulary.

I guess what I'm trying to get across here is that I don't think God uses supernatural/paranormal experiences to lead men to...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-12-2009, 05:16 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
I'm not ready to say that either brother (well,...

I'm not ready to say that either brother (well, maybe about hell), but the catch phrase I mentioned is "that would cause them to believe". It just seems down right unfair to me that someone gets a...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-12-2009, 02:34 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine...

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-12-2009, 02:23 PM
Replies: 127
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
That's a hard one to reconcile with the following...

That's a hard one to reconcile with the following verses of scripture:

"Depart from me" is not "in the presence of"...
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-12-2009, 02:48 AM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
We who are saved understand the grim reality of...

We who are saved understand the grim reality of what it would be like to be out of God's presence for all eternity, and never know the ultimate Good, but the unsaved could care less, that's partly...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-12-2009, 12:06 AM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
It's not a problem as far as I'm concerned...

It's not a problem as far as I'm concerned brother. :p

I'm highly sceptical of these near-death/clinically dead experiences that people have written about, especially when they go into much...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-11-2009, 11:14 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
I'm not so sure that the new earth with be an...

I'm not so sure that the new earth with be an exact duplicate geographically of this present one, I don't think the scripture necessitates it. Can you please post the verses you have in mind about...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-11-2009, 07:53 PM
Replies: 127
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
That's true, but that was in "hell" NOT in the...

That's true, but that was in "hell" NOT in the "lake of fire". Two different locations, one is a temporary 'prison' until the resurrection of the dead, and the other is their final and permanent...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-11-2009, 04:57 PM
Replies: 127
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
It's probable that the soul, once it has left a...

It's probable that the soul, once it has left a man's body, takes on the exact shape and size of that man's body. In the case of damned souls, God may change their size & shape? I still think that...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-11-2009, 03:11 AM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
Well, wherever it is situated will be need to be...

Well, wherever it is situated will be need to be somewhere within the confines of God's creation (new heavens & earth), for it will be accessible and able to be viewed by "all flesh" (those flesh...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-10-2009, 11:46 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
So would you have us resign our efforts to...

So would you have us resign our efforts to further study Gods word in hope of finding the answer/s? :) There is so much treasure in that Book that great men of God have admitted at the end of their...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-10-2009, 05:23 PM
Replies: 127
Views: 248,499
Posted By Kiwi Christian
Hey, I never went into that much detail about...

Hey, I never went into that much detail about their worm, they may still have those 'body' parts in their soulish form, my main contention is that the worm is THEIR SOUL and not some other creature...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-10-2009, 05:10 PM
Replies: 127
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
But the location of Isaiah 66:23 & 24 is relating...

But the location of Isaiah 66:23 & 24 is relating to verse 22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD". I'm not so sure there will even be...
Forum: Bible Studies 03-09-2009, 03:28 AM
Replies: 127
Views: 248,499
Posted By Kiwi Christian
The Dead Sea huh? Chapter & verse please? I...

The Dead Sea huh? Chapter & verse please?

I do believe we will be able to view the lake of fire in eternity, according to Isaiah 66:23-24.
Forum: Bible Studies 03-01-2009, 12:29 AM
Replies: 127
Views: 248,499
Posted By Kiwi Christian
I'm glad these discussions have helped you, but I...

I'm glad these discussions have helped you, but I wonder if you would hold the same conviction of hell that you do now if you had never listened to that sound clip?

Personally, I think belief &...
Forum: Bible Studies 02-27-2009, 04:41 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
Show him these also: Daniel 3:22 Therefore...

Show him these also:

Daniel 3:22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and...
Forum: Bible Studies 02-27-2009, 04:35 AM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
Okay, here's my 2c about this "worm": ...

Okay, here's my 2c about this "worm":

Scripture recognizes that man IS a worm:

Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Incidentally, the male...
Forum: Bible Studies 02-26-2009, 08:03 PM
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Posted By Kiwi Christian
It looks like the context in these verses is the...

It looks like the context in these verses is the "grave", meaning their fleshly body in the ground, not eternity in the lake of fire.

I can't get my head around an eternal decaying, down here if...
Forum: Bible Studies 02-26-2009, 07:14 PM
Replies: 127
Views: 248,499
Posted By Kiwi Christian
It could be an absence from the PHYSICAL presence...

It could be an absence from the PHYSICAL presence of Jesus Christ.

I'm reminded of the passage in Isaiah 66 which I believe refers to the lake of fire and it's inhabitants, it says that we "will...
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