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Forum: Bible Versions 05-04-2008, 06:38 PM
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pshda said, This is not historically...

pshda said,



This is not historically accurate.

1. The King James Bible took only one generation to fully replace the Geneva Version.

2. Only a handful of extremists criticised the King...
Forum: Bible Versions 05-04-2008, 06:28 PM
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texusreceptusonly said, The spirit of the...

texusreceptusonly said,


The spirit of the Law argument seems like it is a word play to provide an excuse not to obey the jots and tittles. I am saying we should obey and keep the jots and...
Forum: Bible Versions 05-03-2008, 09:14 PM
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I believe in the Law, but that it is fulfilled by...

I believe in the Law, but that it is fulfilled by Christ in the believer. Therefore, I believe that the TEN COMMANDMENTS still apply today. If the Law has really passed away, the Ten Commandments...
Forum: Bible Versions 05-02-2008, 11:30 PM
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Well, not as far as meaning is not changed, but...

Well, not as far as meaning is not changed, but the issue at stake is the very jots and tittles of the Scripture. While "Geba" or "Gaba" obviously are the same place, no one is going to have a...
Forum: Bible Versions 05-02-2008, 08:04 AM
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The Version and Translation made in 1611 is the...

The Version and Translation made in 1611 is the right one. There is no dispute between the 1611 and 1769 Editions on text or translation, since they both agree. Therefore it is entirely proper to...
Forum: Bible Versions 04-29-2008, 10:30 PM
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Which Christ? Who is doing the...

Which Christ?



Who is doing the "wrangling"? Was it not pshda who said, "The Hebrew word Chesed is translated mercy, but the word means more than a single English word can capture. Another...
Forum: Bible Versions 04-23-2008, 08:53 PM
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Regarding pshdsa's post... But there is no...

Regarding pshdsa's post...

But there is no perfect flawless manuscript extant in Greek or Hebrew... how then can it be true that the Word of God is said to be present to the return of Christ (e.g....
Forum: Bible Versions 03-25-2008, 07:50 PM
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That is why modern versions cannot be cleansed,...

That is why modern versions cannot be cleansed, whereas the KJB has never been lost in history, nor corrupted to a state from whence it could not be recovered. However, we have been observing more...
Forum: Bible Versions 03-02-2008, 08:54 PM
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That is exactly correct. While we cannot see any...

That is exactly correct. While we cannot see any flawlessly perfect originals, we know by faith that we have it right in English.
Forum: Bible Versions 03-02-2008, 08:07 PM
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Yes, I believe that it is likely that all places...

Yes, I believe that it is likely that all places where people say that the KJB does not follow the Greek, that either:
1. The KJB is the proper translation of the Greek at that place, or
2. The KJB...
Forum: Bible Versions 03-01-2008, 10:17 PM
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I am not anti-Strong's, I am just against the...

I am not anti-Strong's, I am just against the fact that in some places Strong's lexicon definitions are wrong. If people understand how to use these tools in subjection to the Bible, that is the...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-29-2008, 07:50 PM
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Turning to Strong's is like a form of magic. It...

Turning to Strong's is like a form of magic. It is utilising powers to change the meaning of the words of Scripture. The right thing is to study the Scripture itself: 100% certainty is not being...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-29-2008, 11:46 AM
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Posted By bibleprotector
I gave a list of ten or so grave problems with...

I gave a list of ten or so grave problems with Strong's, including that the word "Hebrew" in John 19:17 does not mean "Hebrew" according to Strong's (Gk. 1147).

If you are using this lexicon,...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-29-2008, 06:50 AM
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Posted By bibleprotector
There is no problem with looking at places (e.g....

There is no problem with looking at places (e.g. the Oxford English Dictionary) to find the meaning of English words. But it is really difficult to using Strong's like this, because his work is not a...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-28-2008, 10:26 PM
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What I am talking about when I say the full...

What I am talking about when I say the full Scripture or the full conceptual sense is that 100% of the sense was able to be taken from the original language into English by translation. By this I...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-28-2008, 06:50 AM
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You are making the mistake in thinking that the...

You are making the mistake in thinking that the TR exists in a finite form in Greek. The KJB is an independent variety of the Received Text that exists in English. The Scrivener TR is an edition of...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-27-2008, 10:20 PM
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Of course the KJB is the same as the “NT Greek...

Of course the KJB is the same as the “NT Greek that God originally gave”. But any extant Greek TR edition is not fully exactly the same the Autographs. However, the English Received Text, the KJB is....
Forum: Bible Versions 02-27-2008, 08:30 PM
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I am not going to go out of my way to delve into...

I am not going to go out of my way to delve into all the places where Scrivener's TR differs from the KJB. I have provided you with examples and a resource. You can do your own research, but I am...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-27-2008, 08:45 AM
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This is not what I was saying. Anyway, the...

This is not what I was saying. Anyway, the Vulgate was validly used as a source for the KJB, and the Vulgate is not totally based on the wrong texts.



I was talking about "good Bibles", meaning...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-27-2008, 07:26 AM
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I am not anti-Greek, but pro-Biblical English. I...

I am not anti-Greek, but pro-Biblical English. I am also pro-exact truth. And this means that Scrivener's Greek finds a secondary place, because it supports or affirms the primary standard of...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-26-2008, 07:20 PM
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The point is that the King James Bible is giving...

The point is that the King James Bible is giving the right text and translation at every particular place. By defending the Hebrew or Greek rather than the English is to say that not all the meaning...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-26-2008, 07:35 AM
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What I am really driving at is that there is no...

What I am really driving at is that there is no ultimately reliable extant presentation of the Bible outside of the King James Bible, and that we must have every jot and tittle correct and every word...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-26-2008, 01:23 AM
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Posted By bibleprotector
Who is giving the jot and tittle exact rendering...

Who is giving the jot and tittle exact rendering at Phil. 2:21?

KJB: Jesus Christ

SCRIVENER’S GREEK TR: Christ Jesus

And 1 John 2:23?

KJB: Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-26-2008, 12:04 AM
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I agree with what you have said concerning the...

I agree with what you have said concerning the KJB and that some people do make up wrong things. However, I disagree concerning having complete reliance in Strong's Concordance, because Strong's is...
Forum: Bible Versions 02-25-2008, 09:06 PM
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Yes, but there has been some slight changes since...

Yes, but there has been some slight changes since 1769 in the Cambridge Edition. E.g. 1769 has "Beer-sheba, Sheba" at Joshua 19:2. Oxford now has "Beer-sheba, and Sheba", while Cambridge has...
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