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atlas 09-13-2008 03:04 PM

The Gap Fact or Theory
 
The Gap Fact or Theory

Quote:

Gen. 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Quote:

Matt. 19:4

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
When is the beginning?

Quote:

Gen. 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


Quote:

Mark 10:6

But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Jesus is saying he made man " at the beginning " and " from the beginning of the creation. "

We have man showing up in Gen. 1: 26 & 27 a few days later. Days " evening and the morning " it always says " evening and the morning. "

Now this tells me that Adam and Eve both were made right at the start, right in the beginning. He made man " from the beginning of the creation. " That makes me want to look at Gen. 1:1. What else could you call Gen 1:1 but " the beginning of the creation? " That was the start of creation no doubt about it whatsoever. Gen1:1 was the start of it all and Adam and Eve were there very soon. Only a few days out, that can be called " the beginning of the creation. "

He made man when creation took place at the beginning. This is Jesus saying here. He should know he was there.


Quote:

Ex. 20:11

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We also have the six day creation right here in God's top ten list. In 6 days he made the " heaven and earth and all that in them is,. "

I see The Gap as something out of line with all of these Bible verses.


Atlas

peopleoftheway 09-13-2008 03:19 PM

I will leave finding out the answer to that one until I am standing before the LORD in Heaven.:D

Debau 09-13-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by peopleoftheway (Post 7663)
I will leave finding out the answer to that one until I am standing before the LORD in Heaven.:D

I think Atlas showed the answer God has already given us in definite terms. I as a child in Christ understand the creation account as given without a gap, which is not a theory, just hypothesis. Surely not law. The gap "theory" is an hypothesis designed to compromise with evolution defending long ages. Having trouble with the first two verses in the Bible portends difficulty in believing the rest.

peopleoftheway 09-13-2008 04:14 PM

I believe in a literal 6 day creation. What I am talking about is what the gap theorists speculate, carbon dating and dinosaurs and the like.

These things about the existence of Dinosaurs are the things that I can settle on having answered in Heaven. I again have not made myself clear on a second post that you have commented on. I will think long and hard before I answer on any post from here on in as I do not wish anyone to suggest that I haven't grasped the 1st 2 verses of the Bible to have trouble with the rest.

Luke 09-13-2008 08:53 PM

There are several gap theories

I take no issue with the Gap theory that Dr Ruckman teaches and believes, a 1000 year gap (to mirror the millennial kingdom at the other end of God's age).

Personally, I don't believe it myself, but see no issue of fellowship with it.

On the other hand, the gap theorists who try to include evolution or something in their theory, and say the gap was millions of years, just annoy me, as they pander to the scientific community.

PB1789 09-13-2008 11:08 PM

Theory.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atlas (Post 7662)
The Gap Fact or Theory < snipped for brevity >


We also have the six day creation right here in God's top ten list. In 6 days he made the " heaven and earth and all that in them is,. "

I see The Gap as something out of line with all of these Bible verses.


Atlas

Amen! Atlas. Good Points.

As I used to tell the kids in my Jr. High Sunday School Class: If you don't believe what it says in the first verse of God's Word...why believe all the "Precious Promise" verses in the New Testament ..?

stephanos 09-14-2008 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke (Post 7679)
There are several gap theories

I take no issue with the Gap theory that Dr Ruckman teaches and believes, a 1000 year gap (to mirror the millennial kingdom at the other end of God's age).

Personally, I don't believe it myself, but see no issue of fellowship with it.

On the other hand, the gap theorists who try to include evolution or something in their theory, and say the gap was millions of years, just annoy me, as they pander to the scientific community.

Amen brother! Did you hear that the Anglican Church is officially apologizing to Charles Darwin! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ars-death.html So much compromise these days.

I, however, believe God.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

atlas 09-14-2008 06:15 PM

Stephanos,


I think they need to offer an apology to God.


Atlas

Biblestudent 09-14-2008 06:29 PM

Hello, Brothers!

I don't believe in what they call the "gap theory" which includes a compromise to evolution. I graduated in a Christian high school and had held in the six-day creation week "without the gap". However, when I went through Bible school and having heard Bible believing teachers from both sides ("anti-gappers" and "pro-gappers"), I have been quite convinced of the gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 as a fact, and I see no compromise to evolution.

Concerning the question, I find David Reagan's articles to be very helpful:


"NOTE: The word beginning does not always refer to the same point in time or even to the same beginning. Here are several specific beginnings. Some are easy to pinpoint; others are not. But they are all a part of God’s truth and they make an interesting study."

http://www.learnthebible.org/genesis_in_the_beginning.htm


"Also, the devil was “a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44) and he “sinneth from the beginning” (1John 3:8). To what beginning does this refer? It must refer to the beginning of the six-day creation. Nothing else makes sense.
However, if there is no gap and the devil was created on the first day of the six days of creation, he must have been created as a sinner and a murderer—since he was these things from the beginning. But this is impossible for two reasons.
  • First, this interpretation would make God the author of sin.
  • Second, the Bible clearly states that the devil was perfect from his creation and that iniquity was not found in him until a later date (see Ezekiel 28:15).
He was perfect at the time of his own creation, but was a murderer and sinner at the time of the beginning or creation as we experience it. Therefore, the devil had to fall in sin somewhere between the time of his creation and the beginning of the world as found in the first chapter of Genesis. Only the gap provides a time for this. There is no other option."
http://www.learnthebible.org/q-a-when-was-satan-created.htm
http://www.learnthebible.org/q-a-satan-vs-lucifer.htm

"I admit that many of the early proponents of the gap compromised with modern science in their beliefs and teachings. They used the gap to explain the geological ages, the fossil record and the existence of dinosaur skeletons. Obviously, this was wrong.
There is no reason to bow to modern science in any of these areas. Creation with apparent age (meaning things looked mature at the time of creation just as Adam was created as a mature adult and not as a baby) and Noah’s flood could easily explain the geological structures as we have them. However, a weak argument in favor of a position is no reason to reject it. The gap I am talking about is not a scientific accommodation but a biblical doctrine. "
http://www.learnthebible.org/gap_or_not.htm (Please see also this article for some explanation concerning Exodus 20:11 and Exodus 31:17)




chette777 09-15-2008 06:48 AM

Please go to doctrine, "why isn't the second day...." thread and lets answer the questions and see if there is room for a gap in time. obviously God is eternal and long before 6,000 years ago God has been at work doing things that the Bible is not very clear on.

by the way not all who beleive in a Gap theory support Evolution. there are some who beleive in a gap and still believe in the six day literal reestablished earth within a firmament with the new creations of sun, moon and stars, fish, Reptiles, birds, animals and man.


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