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Hell and the Bottomless Pit
Is Hell the same as the Bottomless Pit? There are varied opinions among Bible believers. What do you think?
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The word "bottomless" gives the notion of a depth so far that hope becomes impossible.
The word "hell" is a place of separation. Combining them both is a bottomless pit, or complete separation with no possibility of release. A prisoner, if you will. Jesus had to go there ref: Psa 28:1 <A Psalm of David.> Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit. In order to liberate the prisoners from day one of humanity, Jesus had to go and present Himself to them in the pit, the place of separation, hell, the bottomless hopeless place, and deliver them out of it. Ref: Two gates Isa 45:2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: Exo 27:19 All the vessels of the tabernacle in all the service thereof, and all the pins thereof, and all the pins of the court, shall be of brass. For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder. Of Iron: Psa 107:10 Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; Of Brass: Exo 27:19 All the vessels of the tabernacle in all the service thereof, and all the pins thereof, and all the pins of the court, shall be of brass. Iron is alluded to things under heaven and brass to things in heaven, therefore verse Psa 107:10 gives us a clue that both gates were broke open when Jesus paid the price. Isa 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. Praise be to God. Peace>>>AJ |
? Isaiah 45 is referring to the literal gates of Babylon - not of Hell. Psalm 107 is referring to this life (the shadow of death) and being enslaved by sin.
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Individual scriptures describe events as stated, but in the big picture, if one wants to see the works of god in them, then there are clues within those scriptures that add up to make the description of the big picture.
Take for example the four beasts with six wings. It is dividing the day by 4 equal parts of 6 hours each. The day being that day Jesus was crucified. The heavens gates and the prisons gates were all opened up to us, where before the cross, they were shut. No one could open or shut those gates save God Himself via Jesus. That is the big picture that is hidden in the details. We are all accustomed to understanding the details and not seeing the big picture in the details. Another example is the notion of the 7 year tribulation period, has literally been tried to be explained as something yet future, but in reality, it all happened the day of the cross where Jesus Himself endured all those things for us. The things hidden in scripture are hidden for those of us who want to seek a deeper meaning to our own relationship with God. It is nothing to proclaim for it is very deep stuff and for personal worship and understanding. I bring this out in case there are some seeking deeper understandings with a different view, yet, not taking away from the glory that is Christs. Hope you understand what I am saying? Peace>>>AJ |
Sounds like you are winging it in your theology! Making it up as you go along is the philosophy of fools. When you stray beyond what the Bible actually says and make it mean something else, you are on dangerous ground!
The four beasts in Revelation are angels - nothing more - that picture the Lord Jesus Christ as He is presented in the four Gospels (the same picture the fourfold faces of the cherubim give). The seven year tribulation was fulfilled in six hours on the cross - if you were one of my clients at the Gospel Mission, I would ask you how much crack you were smoking... |
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Your response is understandable. I critique no one for what they choose to believe. I give my views and anyone can elect to believe what they want, just as long as love is at the base of their beliefs. Peace>>>AJ |
Hell Is The Pits
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__________________________________ - “One accurate measurement is worth more than a thousand expert opinions” - “...this is the Word of God; come, search, ye critics, and find a flaw; examine it, from its Genesis to its Revelation, and find an error... This is the book untainted by any error; but is pure, unalloyed, perfect truth. Why? Because God wrote it. Ah! charge God with error if you please; tell him that his book is not what it ought to be. I have heard men, with prudish and mock-modesty, who would like to alter the Bible; and (I almost blush to say it) I have heard ministers alter God's Bible, because they were afraid of it... Pity they were not born when God lived far—far back that they might have taught God how to write.” Charles Haddon Spurgeon (Spurgeon's Sermons Volume 1: Sermon II p. 31) - “If, therefore, any do complain that I have sometimes hit my opponents rather hard, I take leave to point out that 'to everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the sun' : 'a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embracing' : a time for speaking smoothly, and a time for speaking sharply. And that when the words of Inspiration are seriously imperilled, as now they are, it is scarcely possible for one who is determined effectually to preserve the Deposit in its integrity, to hit either too straight or too hard.” Dean John William Burgon (The Revision Revised. pp. vii-viii) |
The main object of hell is separation.
Mankind was placed into a condition which alienated it from God, first the flesh is and earthly vessels and second, the spirit in mankind was also alienated as well, bringing death or separation from God due to the conditions God placed on us. But God in all wisdom and understanding understood that He alone could undo the separation by complying with His own requirements in a body of flesh created just for that purpose and offer it up in our behalf. The object "hell" meaning separation was eliminated eternally by God Himself and we had absolutely nothing to do with that. What we do have is our own rewards and or consequences here on earth. We do good, rewards, we do evil consequences, either way we pay or are rewarded. Alienation from God can also present a sort of hell on earth because to live on earth without God in our lives is a sort of hell. Yes, many "good folk" many say they don't need God, yet they have a form of Godliness by which they are governed to do good, even if they don't want to admit it. So, defining hell under the statements I made will give you a bigger picture, then trying to define hell on just a few verses. Try to see the works of God in the creation, the fall of mankind, the redemption of mankind and the salvation of mankind, rather than to look at mankind's works in single verses in the bible. Mankind's works are all in error, for what good can come out of the flesh unless God is in it, save Jesus? Gods works depict His love not for one, but for "all" mankind, via one body, that being Jesus' body. The church, a many membered body is one body, and only in that body can we exist eternally, for that body is God. Only one God and no other. Peace>>>AJ |
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AJ. I think I remember you saying everyone is saved? Forgive me if I'm wrong. |
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Please understand that traditional views on hell are as you speak. Recall that Jesus also went to hell: Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Would that also mean Jesus was burning also? Of course not! He must have needed to go to hell for there were souls there needing redemption. Redemption needed meant that hell was but a holding place, separate from the presence of God where departed souls went for lack of redemption. Until Jesus came, there was no redemption for them or for the yet living, so Jesus had to consume us all with the fire of cleanliness in His body. Yes, I agree that respect to wards God is the beginnings of of understanding that leaded to wisdom. "Many Lost" as you say are already lost to start with, so anybody is considered lost so that the power of God will be manifested. Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. You and I have been granted the privilege of believing in Jesus, therefore are presently saved by the mere nature of being born again, of His live Spirit via the Holy Ghost. Therefore, for us, there is no longer condemnation, for that is done away with in Jesus, but for the rest of the world not yet aware of the gift of life, are condemned already. Ever body is condemned once and in need of redemption, even the caveman who knew not one thing about God, the Indians, the African tribes and anybody else that has not an inkling of who or what God really is. They all had, have a conscience of a higher spirit which abides in all mankind that leads them to believe in something other than humanity, a spirited entity of which they could only relate to with what knowledge they had. A tree, an elephant, a mouse or any idol. One has to understand that God placed us in a environment conducive to sin, rather to the desires of the flesh, after all, we are fleshly beings. He very well knew this, and made provisions for our rescue. You will find in Romans 8-20, just that tid-bit of a clue. Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, And in closing, the answer to your last question is yes, I have discovered via my studies, my understanding enlightened by the Holy Spirit, that God saves all. It is a hard pill to swallow for many Christians I know, but the mercies of God are greater than any sin we could ever commit. Take for example, who suppose had the biggest, the worst sins, and in total, the sins of the whole world? Could that individual ever be forgiven while laying in hell? Read on: Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Isa 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. The doors of hells prison and the gates of heaven are now open and no man can shut them. So, now, heaven is open to us via the tree of life and hell can hold no more souls, for Jesus took care of that. So, fear of hell is mankind's way of controlling the masses, but love for God is the way of liberty. There then is no one believer of any belief we can condemn, for God has subjected us all in hope. Can it be now understood the words of Christ when He said, love thy neighbor as thy self? If we are to teach, instruct in the things of God to a lost world, let us announce, proclaim the good news and live it in action whereby the world may see the goodness of God in us. Peace>>>AJ |
AJ,
How do you reconcile Rev 14:11, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever" ? cf. Rev 20:10-15, Is 34:1 "Saved" loses its meaning when there is nothing to be saved from. As I said, seperation from God would please many. Quote:
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I'm sorry but if you miss something simple like that, why would I trust any of the rest of your ideas? |
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There was a TV documentary of a Bishop (Should of have taken notes) who wrestled with the all saved concept. The problem he encountered was that if he wrote the churches statement on salvation as “all saved”, he would in fact be, as you said “loses its meaning when there is nothing to be saved from”. He wrestled with it without sleep for 2 or 3 days until he came to a conclution. He, understood the concept of universal salvation, but feared the people wouldn’t, so he wrote the churches statement to reflect a fear of hell. He understood that hell would be a driving force, and I will agree that it is. But greater force would it be if we could come to God acknowledging the gift of life, being appreciative of it, in the face of a hellish world environment. Our convictions to live right would be stronger than with the fear of hell looming over us. Now as for: Rev. 14:11. REV 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Let’s go back a few verses to establish a spiritual picture of what is going on. REV 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. “That great city” these are coded words depicting how Jesus has fallen. Looking at the second quarter of the 24 hour day of His crucifixion being the time frame, 12 midnight to 6 am in the morning, Jesus a perfect and upright man at the Garden takes on the sins of the world on His shoulders, thus “fallen”. Or say taking the fall for us. Jesus has made us drink of His sufferings, by joining Him. 1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. REV 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,REV 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Here we have again a spiritual picture depicting the elements involved the day of His crucifixion. To the Jewish believer of His day, Jesus was blasphemer, a breaker of Sabbaths and a mingle-er with sinners, thus in a way a beast, that should not be worshipped. We are looking at the third quarter of the crucifixion day where Jesus is taken into judgment by (torment by fire=Gods word=prophecies) and by brimstone. (Breath of the Lord or Holy Spirit) At the same time Jesus is sitting in judgment of His tormentors, for in His love for them and all mankind, His judgment is with love and forgiveness, and takes on the costs of the cross for us. And now your verse: REV 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Smoke is representative of sins on that day of His crucifixion, of which they, the crucifiers have no rest, for in serving they are worshiping, and they are sealed in their foreheads not to see Jesus in order for Jesus to be offered up by them. In their offering up of Jesus, they are held sinless, for that was a form of their worship. The spiritual picture is what needs be seen in all the descriptive wordings in the bible. As for: “Hell is hardly mankind’s' way of controlling the masses. Folks are oblivious to it. Would that the preacher could make the masses feel the flames of Hell, there would be revival! Turn to the Lord in fear, and grow in Him in love.” Agreed, some people need a fire placed in the right areas in order to bring them to Christ, but much of it is short lived, for fear is the motivator rather than love. A person coming to Christ with love, will sincerely “want” to live right out of shear appreciation. My view, of course. Peace>>>AJ |
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Jesus , as you know paid the price for us, meaning, took hell for us, if you know what i mean? He gifted us with life because of that, and now, you are the recipient of that wonderful love that lives forever. Peace>>>AJ |
Whether Jesus went to Hell or not is another issue.
But the FACT is Is 14 is talking about Lucifer (Satan) not Jesus Christ. Why should I believe anything else from a guy who can't read simple English? Needless to say, this type of butchering seems to be typical for you. Saying that Babylon is code for Jesus is absolutely ridiculous. I've dealt with some issues, but man, that is something. I mean saying Babylon is Rome is one thing, but this is...wow. You seem like a nice person and polite, but are you a mormon or JW, what is this? |
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Last question first, I am neither, just a simple believer in Jesus my Savior. Apart from Him, there is nothing else! Lucifer, in light of the works of God is? Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Nations: REV 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: The nations weakened is Jesus Lord over, for He was under their power as a prince at His crucifixion, but afterwards, Jesus is King. Who but Jesus keepeth the works unto the end and given power over the nations? REV 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. REV 2:28 And I will give him the morning star. The morning star is seeing Lucifer in scriptures is really looking at Jesus in hell on the second day, he opened not the house of his prisoners because they must wait for the 3rd day. at this point Jesus descends into hell and fulfills the scriptures in Isaiah 14:12 ISA 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! =according to God's word when Jesus takes all sin. ISA 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. =fulfilling scriptures, Jesus is the son of perdition. ISA 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;=notice, the word "man", this is Jesus. ISA 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? Notice they are his prisoners, this is one of the prophecies, that Jesus would set the prisoners free=(Isaiah 61:1). He does but this is the second day, he must wait till the 3rd day, this second day they look on him because he has revived them out of sleep, they were asleep till Jesus died for sin. HOS 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. HOS 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. =as God said, he makes the rain to fall on the just and unjust=pours out the righteousness of Christ on all mankind=job 33:26 Now, if God would off have kept Jesus out of hell, then the prisoners would have never know Jesus as we know Him today. Peace>>>AJ |
Ok, where to start?
Sir, I honestly want to ask you, do you want to learn here or are you just here to plead your cause? Listen, you might be able to learn something here. Remember, Study to shew thyself approved unto God a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2Tim 2:15 Look. Who is Rev 2 addressed to and who is speaking? This is Jesus Christ speaking to the angel of the church of Thyatira. Right? That is what Rev 1:16-20 says. Jesus Christ is addressing his churches. This has nothing to do with Jesus preaching to people in prison. It just doesn't. Back to Isaiah 14. Still not Jesus, even with the messed up cross reference to Rev 2. You conveniently leave out vs. 14, where we see this "Lucifer's" goals. "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the most High." Jesus doesn't need to do anything to "be like the most High" He is the most High, he is God. This is Satan, no doubt about it. Quote:
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Hosea 6:2 The context is Israel. Not anything else. Please tell us why you figured that Hosea was talking about anything other than the children of Israel. There is so much in this post. I hope this helps man. Please consider the context. If you don't the Bible says that you are "wresting" the scriptures unto your own destruction. |
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This is what happens when you try and fit Revelations into the past. IT IS FUTURE! |
Look. Who is Rev 2 addressed to and who is speaking? This is Jesus Christ speaking to the angel of the church of Thyatira. Right? That is what Rev 1:16-20 says. Jesus Christ is addressing his churches. This has nothing to do with Jesus preaching to people in prison. It just doesn't.>>>
The very first verse of Revelation 1 tells us who the book is about: Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: It is about Him, which God gave unto Him to show unto His servant’s things which must shortly come to pass. Now, I would like to make notice of three things which tells us about the timing of what is in the contents of that verse. First, is “to shew” present tense, meaning while Jesus is still with His disciples Second, “things which must shortly come to pass” meaning within His life time Third, sent notice to John, not John the Apostle, but john the Baptist, who: REV 1:2 Who bare record. Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. John the Apostle doesn’t come in until verse 4 because if you look at verse 10 we see that Jesus has already risen and is talking to John in spirit: REV 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, John hears the voice from “behind”, meaning in times past as when Jesus was crucified, for it was the Lord’s Day, not Sunday, but the day the Lord did His work. And you are correct that Jesus is speaking to John after the crucifixion giving us the details via John the works of Christ on that particular day. The picture is this: Jesus was about to embark on a 7-day creation, re-creation period (One Day) in order to cover every soul that ever lived, including those held in prison, called hell. Seven churches, seven candlesticks, vials and all sevens are but a picture of Jesus visiting each one of those days in order to cover them all and then recreating a New Creation, a new week of 7’s of which there is to be no end. If you look at the story of Job, you will see a similitude of that picture, with Job visiting his 7 sons and offering sacrifices for them. JOB 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. I’ll leave that here for later discussion if interested. Back to Isaiah 14. Still not Jesus, even with the messed up cross reference to Rev 2. You conveniently leave out vs. 14, where we see this "Lucifer's" goals. "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the most High." Jesus doesn't need to do anything to "be like the most High" He is the most High, he is God. This is Satan, no doubt about it. ISA 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Jesus did say he will ascend into heaven, the stars of God are likened in scriptures as the seed of Abraham, Jesus said "no man cometh unto the father but by me" this is exalting his throne above them. ISA 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. The clouds are likened to sin in Isaiah 44:22, he ascends above sin by overcoming them by his death. Jesus said "if you have seen me, you have seen the father" so he will be like the most high. God is a spirit in heaven, Jesus not yet when he said this. Easy E, my objective is to inform by presenting a different view. I expect some hostility, but my intention is to educate. Now, if this information offends, please hit the ignore button and you shall not hear from me again. I come from a Southern Baptist up bringing, and still hold true to the concept of Jesus being my only foundation, my Savior and friend. There is no other foundation to lay, only that one which He has laid. My views and understandings are from studying, questioning the traditional beliefs and wanting God to give me understandings on the end time scenarios, of which we both know, are many versions and not one sure one. I can only share what I’ve learned and hope that some who are seeking a deeper understanding will make up their minds what to accept or reject. Peace>>>AJ |
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Jesus surrendered to the kings of the earth (His tormentors) and at His Crucifixion, He becomes their King! Revelation is of "that day" when Jesus finished His work on the cross and reigns as King. He reigns in the hearts of His believers as King over their souls. Peace>>>AJ |
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Ok, so since this book was written after Jesus died and ascended. (90 AD by the way). And it says that it shows the things that must shortly come to pass, then it is not about Jesus on the cross, in hell, or at Chuck E. Cheese Pizza. I am quite interested though, tell me, Who are the two witnesses of Revelation 11? That ought to be good. Quote:
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Ok, so since this book was written after Jesus died and ascended. (90 AD by the way). And it says that it shows the things that must shortly come to pass, then it is not about Jesus on the cross, in hell, or at Chuck E. Cheese Pizza.
Jesus at the last supper begins His deliverance by giving His Apostles instructions on things which must shortly come to pass. And to John the Baptist, the Angel was set to give him revelation as well. All this was written as you stated after Jesus’ work on the cross so that we may have a record of His works. As for Chucky Cheese, well, that’s a great place to take the kids. That seems contradictory. Right now is He king of the kings of the earth or just king of our heart? The earth and our hearts are two different things. Which one is he king of right now? Easy E, understand one thing; Jesus and God are one and the same. If God the Father created the first creation, than God the Son created the second creation. There is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved, and we know that only God can save, right? We are kings only of our own lives, for we are as gods, knowing good and evil. The earth is God’s; He is King over it, but king of mankind’s hearts? Well, that depends, on us. PS I actually know the answer (what the Bible says). I just want to know what you say. That last sentence of yours reminds me of a story of two little boys and an old wise man. Goes like this: Two little boys contrived a plan to fool the old man and to discredit him because they knew he was wise. So one said to the other, I have a plan, let’s capture a small bird, go to the old man and with my hands behind my back ask the old man this question: I have a bird in my hands behind my back, tell me old man, is it dead or alive?........................... If he says yes, I will crush the bird dead, and if he says dead, I will show it alive. The old man pondered the question and answered; it is as you want! So, you choose what you want to believe, and as for my views, well, thier there for you to ponder on them, if it helps you appreciate God the more, than by all means bless God, and if it causes you to stumble, please, place me on your ignore list. I am on a sure foundation, and I can tell you, nothing will or can shake me off of it, because Jesus is my anchor. Peace>>>AJ |
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And was that story really necessary? Whoa. I mean you flatter me to call me wise, but I'm not that old and I would never answer like that. |
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But unless we come up against any hurtles in life, we will never learn any new thing. |
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Have you been taking all of your medication? The stuff that you're posting here is ridiculous. I almost posted at the beginning of this thread when it was on subject, but I was constrained by time. Now, I'm posting because this bologna is annoying. Easy, you should've moved on a few pages ago. |
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Take the day Jesus was to be crucified, that time span is a 24 hour day. I'd bet you never even thought about it, have you? That day is one day that is divided into quarters, into halves and into one whole day. Three pictures each of the same day. Why is it divided? because Jesus must visit each day in the 7 day creation, in order to account for all souls born from day one of Adam. Beginning at sundown,to 12 midnight the eve of His crucification, is the introduction, meaning Jesus is addressing His disciples what must shortly come to pass. 1st quarter. From midnight to 6AM sunrise is the second quarter, Jesus at the garden takes on the sins of the world, and arrested. From 6am sunrise to 12 noon day, third quarter, Jesus is taken , judged in four separate courts, condemned to death and punished with stripes. Fourth quarter is from 12 noon day to 6pm sundown, Jesus is led to Calvary, nailed to the cross, died and then buried in the tomb before sundown, eve of the Sabbath. Why is this important to know? Because this is where Jesus is saving the world, this day ends the old (Law)and ushers in the new world under grace. What God did to accomplish all that is what is found in the book of Revelation where the very first verse says, " The Revelation of Jesus Christ", not of us, but of Jesus Christ. In that book is the works of Christ's endurance until the end for us. Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: This man Jesus overcometh, keepeths the works unto the end and has the power over all the nations. The pattern is: 1. Introduction=creation 2, the fall=knowledge of good and evil 3, Judgment=for falling short 4. Death=physical and spiritual death. Jesus in order to reverse that and give us Gods righteiouness for salvation, must use the same pattern to accomplish the redemption of the souls of mankind, and give us the gift of life, where in we were onces dead. That pattern, I explained it above. Remember, it is not our works that saves us, but Gods works. If you can now see the works of God in Jesus in that pattern, you are able to see more than what has been thought throughout the centuries. You will be able to see and understand the second great commandment why we are to love our neighbor. All endtime scenarios, speculations are just that, scenarios and speculations. But Gods works are not, they are well founded and documented in the whole of His word, the bible. We don't see them because we become blinded with what mankind thinks God is, rather than what He has done for us! I'll leave you with this verse which embodies the whole of Gods works: Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, He did the first so that He could do the second. And you and I, are in the middle. Peace>>>AJ |
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Then the "fish" should soon be dead, and after you've kicked the bird with one wing, you move on...
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Did not you know that God looks at the heart of which it is? When my views are addressed, I speak from the heart that whosoever desires to know some depth of the word, I will kindly explain. For I hold no discrimination as to who or what anyone believes, for I know God loves them all, and if I can encourage some to know Gods works better, I would gladly share my thoughts and my views. Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. Law of liberty? What mean it? Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. To that, my praise goes to Jesus!!! Peace>>>AJ |
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The new Testament is our workbook, by which and in which we learn to workout our salvation. But the heart, above all else, is where Jesus should reside, and there, the spirit is above the letter of the law, for Jesus already fulfilled it for you. Paul knew all this, but because the church was in its infancy, milk is all it could digest. But He did encourage us to go on to the meat of the word: 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Peace>>>AJ |
Revelation commision to write
First Jesus Talked the most on Hell or Gehenna than any other person in the Bible. so it is a real place. and his teaching gives clearer light o the subjest.
Rev 1:19 Many have different views as to what this verse means. and here is mine. Mind you I could be wrong. but at least it is not a dcotrine to argue over. Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; The commision to John to write, he was to write that which he had seen (that would be his gospel), that which are (what he is seeing happening in the first chapter of Revelation), and the the things which shall be hereafter (that would be the rest of the book of Revelation.) |
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