Something else I marvel at is:

I've had a few folks get offended at my style of music (not many, though) and found out what they listened to at home was the same style or similar.

If you listen to a certain style of music, why not have some redeeming value along with it. If a song draws you to Jesus, what's evil about that?

I remember I sang a song called, "The Rapture Blues" about a man who missed the rapture. Some commotion took place in the second row of the church. I thought someone was highly offended. Come to find out that a woman came under conviction and gave her heart to Jesus. She got SAVED! What's evil about that? Was the fact it was in the "Blues" style it was somehow evil?

I see what your saying, but with that mentality you could say that someone could get saved at a rap concert as long as it had the gospel message in it. I do think that God does care about what "kind" of music you fill your life with. Because music itself does invite certain spirits along with it.

Can you give me some Biblical references? I disagree with you. Maybe you don't like rap music (and it isn't something I like too much), but somehow, I don't think that God would be against it just because it's Rap. It's a matter of personal preference.

Someone did an "interpretive dance" at a church I was at. The only problem with it is the woman was inappropriately dressed. If she would have been modestly attired, it would have been glorifying to the Lord. But, we Christians are sinners saved by grace. We all could use a little more "sanctification" in regards to our behaviour. So, applying that to the "rap music", there is a propensity for Improprieties that are the fault of the people involved.

Take tennis: somehow the standard dress is for women to wear revealing clothing. Same with track, swimming (especially swimming), ballet, etc. The problem isn't with people running, swimming, tennis and such. It is that somehow some inappropriate standards have also been applied that really aren't necessary for the activity to be done.

So, with music, the same thing has happened. Certain criteria has been heaped in with it that makes it a problem. God created music. The devil seeks to pervert it. As a Christian musician, my desire is as I stated previously. Both my wife and I dress in a manner so as to not draw attention to our bodies. We don't perform music that would cause people to have wrong desires (at least that is our goal, haven't had a problem that we were aware of).

So rap in and of itself is of no consequence.

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

I entirely agree with you Beth, about HYMNS. Many of them are very inspiring. They're like a musical bible. Or like drinking a capucino but without the side effects: It wakes you up to life and hope. I love hymns and listen to them only. Too many of the worship songs nowadays are so repetitive that you get the impression there's only 25 words in the english dictionary. Take care and have a wonderful day.

[QUOTE=Pastor Mikie;1279]Can you give me some Biblical references? I disagree with you. Maybe you don't like rap music (and it isn't something I like too much), but somehow, I don't think that God would be against it just because it's Rap. It's a matter of personal preference.

I read this scripture with Adam Clarke's commentary following; you may not agree with it, but it is profound:

Am 6:1 Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!
Am 6:2 Pass ye unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye to Hamath the great: then go down to Gath of the Philistines: be they better than these kingdoms? or their border greater than your border?
Am 6:3 Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near;
Am 6:4 That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall;
Am 6:5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;

This was written by Adam Clarke around 1826, concerning verse 5:

And invent to themselves instruments of music, like David - See the note on 1Ch 23:5; and see especially the note on 2Ch 29:25 (note). I believe that David was not authorized by the Lord to introduce that multitude of musical instruments into the Divine worship of which we read, and I am satisfied that his conduct in this respect is most solemnly reprehended by this prophet; and I farther believe that the use of such instruments of music, in the Christian Church, is without the sanction and against the will of God; that they are subversive of the spirit of true devotion, and that they are sinful. If there was a wo to them who invented instruments of music, as did David under the law, is there no wo, no curse to them who invent them, and introduce them into the worship of God in the Christian Church? I am an old man, and an old minister; and I here declare that I never knew them productive of any good in the worship of God; and have had reason to believe that they were productive of much evil. Music, as a science, I esteem and admire: but instruments of music in the house of God I abominate and abhor. This is the abuse of music; and here I register my protest against all such corruptions in the worship of the Author of Christianity. The late venerable and most eminent divine, the Revelation John Wesley, who was a lover of music, and an elegant poet, when asked his opinion of instruments of music being introduced into the chapels of the Methodists said, in his terse and powerful manner, "I have no objection to instruments of music in our chapels, provided they are neither Heard nor Seen." I say the same, though I think the expense of purchase had better be spared.

The word הפרטים happoretim, which we render chant, and the margin quaver, signifies to dance, to skip, etc. In the sight of such a text, fiddlers, drummers, waltzers, etc., may well tremble, who perform to excite detestable passions.

When you need to go outside of Scripture to substantiate what you believe, and not just the Bible itself, that's a big problem. Since I (and many others around here) don't speak Hebrew or Greek, that offers no proof at all. The KJB says what it means and means what it says. Maybe how one understands it differs, but, you certainly don't need another book to substantiate it.

Revangelist wrote: When you need to go outside of Scripture to substantiate what you believe, and not just the Bible itself, that's a big problem. Since I (and many others around here) don't speak Hebrew or Greek, that offers no proof at all. The KJB says what it means and means what it says. Maybe how one understands it differs, but, you certainly don't need another book to substantiate it.

Since this is Resurrection weekend, I will assume your answer was given while you were full of the love of Christ ;) The question was regarding the CCM movement and the thread evolved into the use of it in Church Worship. I am not supporting my own beliefs, I am a Baptist minister, and we have a piano and organ in our Church, with which we sing from the Hymn Book. I thought Adam Clarkes' thoughts about music were profound, considering it was written around 1826, especially when you see where this CCM movement has gone and where it is headed. His fears that music in the wrong form would produce a fleshly emotionalism that would not be pleasing to the Lord have, in my opinion, come about with many of the "Mega Churches" and their style of "Worship". Bible reference:

Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I fear many of the Mega Churches will fall into this category [not judging, I'm just looking for fruit]

I have always and always will be KJV, and I have a long story behind that, but
as far as your quote "we have a big problem when we turn to other sources, The KJ says what it means and means what it says", I would like you, under those guidelines, for you to explain to me the following verse: Deuteronomy 23:2--
Remember, no outside sources!!

I know we have the Holy Spirit to guide us in life and in study, but someone with a screw loose could take that verse and really do some damage to the Kingdom of God; I feel so blessed that I found Brandons Swordsearcher on the internet back in 1997, and I have it yet today and it is a blessing to me in helping me study to show myself approved. God bless :)

Deuteronomy 23:1-4 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.

It is not referring to salvation but to being allowed to enter into or work in the temple. It is interesting to note that David was the 10th or 11th generation since this time - and his great grandmother was Ruth, the Moabite.

I couldn't imagine not being able to worship in the temple if I was an OT believer - it would be like never being able to worship with believers in a local church today. Still saved - but growth would be hindered and would be starving for fellowship.

Scott, sorry about how I came across. I guess I was just stating a fact. I like to read history. I like to study church history. But, I'm not what would be considered an historian. So, I guess I didn't fully understand and responded rather dispassionately. Sorry abou that.

The church I go to does all styles of music, Hymns, worship choruses, a little of this and a little of that. Some songs I like, some I don't. But I guess that's true of anyone.

I like variety. I've been in Baptist Churches, and Pentecostal Churches and see something that is a little bothersome to me in most I've attended. But then, the church is filled with people. Without people, there wouldn't be a church. I was wondering if the Lord looks at us in a similar manner as I would look at my grandchildren. I see them get into arguments about things and have to chuckle to myself. They get all upset about things that really don't matter.

I saw a CCM magazine once and couldn't bring myself to pick it up and look at it. The picture on the front looked like a "Cosmopolitan" magazine and I walked away as quickly as I could. As far as CCM as a style of music, some of it is "plastic" sounding. Some is very provocative. Meaning, It compels me to want to worship God. Music seems to be a tremendous tool.

Anyway, I said all that really to apologize for sounding accusatory. I didn't mean to.

Jerry, I agree with what you said and add AMEN! Revangelist, no appology necessary, we all have our moments. I enjoy reading all these threads and they certainly make you think about the Word, which is healthy. I have so many things the Lord has put on my heart about the "Mega church" and music, but one illustration in particular involved my cousin and her husband, who were married for 15 years and had 4 wonderful children, and they got "bored" with their "Old Fashioned" church [consequently where the KJV was being taught], and wanted to try a new contemporary Church. Well, they started going and voila, they "absolutely loved the music". That was the line I heard over and over. Never said anything about the preacher [of course you could probably go 6 weeks to that Church and never hear the same "preacher" twice], never heard anything about the Word they were learning, just the music. My family and I were called to Terre Haute, IN for a couple of years and I lost track, but I wasn't surprised when my Aunt called me and said to pray for my cousin--her and her husband had gotten a divorce, and as far as I know, never missed any Church :confused:....There is something wrong with that!! I just fear satan, whom someone mentioned the verse earlier [Ezekiel 28:13], with his musical ability is trying to numb the minds of would be Christians and Christians alike with music, and they are becoming numb to the real healer and strengthener--the Word....By the way, there is a happy ending to this story that just happened---God does answer prayers [as we all know], just 2 days ago, I spoke with my Aunt and 10 years later, my cousin and her ex husband remarried:) [I know that sounds like a fairy tale, but the Lord is my witness!!] [I'm going to tell them NOT to go back to that same Church!!:D God Bless

I was looking at the reference in Amos 6 and did notice "Am 6:5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David".

I also looked at 2 Chronicles 7:6 "And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood."

I don't see that David did anything wrong. So, at first glance, they (in Amos 6) were guilty of doing as David did only for evil.

Maybe I missed it. Am I missing the point (honest question)?

Brother, the thread began with questions about CCM and its use in Worship today. I posted those scriptures because I remembered studying Amos a few months ago, and reading Adam Clarkes commentary concerning verse 5. Many times in my life, without ever asking anyone, I wondered why a Church [such as some CofC's, primitive baptists, etc.] would not allow even a piano in the Church since instruments are mentioned so often in the Bible, and when I ran across that verse and commentary, I put 2 and 2 together and I assume how Adam Clarke felt [back in 1826] was how many felt about musical instruments back then and some still today...What I really thought was interesting was how he elaborated on the word chant: and the reason it is interesting to me is that I can't imagine that he had the same kind of services back then that I have been to and see on tv today, yet it sounds eerily familiar; that is the reason I posted those scriptures and commentary. Yes music is mentioned in the Bible, we also know that in the Bible, music was used for the wrong purposes even by God's people, as they dedicated the golden calf: Ex 32:17 And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp.
Ex 32:18 And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.; [I don't know what the sound of war type of music sounded like back then, but that also sounds eerily familiar]:D; so we know that music can be used to glorify God and it can be used to glorify man or the flesh, even satan; Bringing this back to the question of CCM and its use in Worship, I'll make one last comment and then ask a question: I have heard people [such as my cousin and her husband I mentioned in an earlier post] say they will not attend a Church unless it has CCM music in it [not mentioning anything about the Bible or the preaching or even the people], and my question is, is that not carnal?? There is no guideline that I know of for musical instruments in worship, but there certainly is for the Word [OT and new]; repeating myself, brother, I am afraid satan is using this music to dull the minds and senses and making people become numb to the Word of God!! I'm proud to know that you are KJV because my experience with those churches has been anything but....God bless

One concern with CCM is that the whole thing seems to be geared toward producing a SHOW rather than worship, an effort to worship God on terms that are firstly pleasing to the performers and the "fans", with emphasis on hairstlyes, clothing, music sounds and personal image.

The lyrics used in CCM seem to me to be repetitive and doctrinally shallow when compared to Hymns that were written in years past;

" My faith has found a resting place, Not in device nor creed;
I trust the Ever living One, His wounds for me shall plead.
I need no other argument, I need no other plea,
It is enough that Jesus died, and that he died for me"

or;

"And can it be that I should gain,an interest in the Saviours blood?
Died he for me, who caused his pain? For me,who Him to death pursued?
Amazing love! how can it be That Thou my God should'st die for me?
Amazing love! how can it be That Thou my God should'st die for me?"

The focus of these hyms is on God, as opposed to CCM where the Bass players timing with the drummer is a topic of importance, or the guitarists' lead breaks are so similar to Jon Bon Jovi that it is "awsome".
And lyrics? who can hear them anyway? Sing the name of Jesus a few times, repeat the catchy chorus over and over and over AND over and the mosh pit ( and God) will be satisfied.

Not all offerings are acceptable to God, Cain would tell you that much.

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


fUNDY

Fundy, Amen....I'm certainly not standing in judgment of anyone, but I do know the Bible says:



Bringing up the topic of fashion within CCM is another matter. I am 44 years old, and when I was in school, you never saw a boy, or any man for that matter, wearing an earring. I am from a small school, nonetheless I never saw such a thing at school or anywhere else back then. I went off to college, and still never saw it...but at college I was introduced to something we never had back home--cable tv:eek:, and my roommates would turn on the mtv:eek::eek:--and if I thought the people on there looked freaky back then, I can only imagine what it is now [I really don't know how freaky they may or may not be now], anyhow that was the first time I saw men wearing earrings....But now its "acceptable" and it is almost the norm for most CCM groups, but where did it come from?? I know there were earrings mentioned in the OT, but when they were mentioned they were pulling them out [a revival!!] for an offering [or worse, to make a golden calf]....I've heard it said, if we're going to win the world we have to sing the world's music, we have to dress like the world....where is that at in the Bible?? The scriptures above destroy that logic....The point is, all the fashion, the music, where did it come from??--if mtv and "modern culture" are the answer, how can we accept something that is not only worldly [the Bible says as above, love not the world....], but satanic in many forms....I agree with you, the hymns are Bible based, Holy Spirit inspired, but, much like the Word itself, we can allow the familiarity with the old hymns cause our hearts to become calloused to them until we think we need something new. Of course, this is just my opinion, but I always hearken back to:

God bless

Hi Scott,

When I was at school, it was accepted that the wearing of an earring by a male was a sign of a sodomite. No one at school wore one in those days, but the TV shows of the time ALWAYS had the queer character wearing an earing and acting in an effeminate manner.

The only ones in scociety thay wore an earring were the openly queer Rock and Roll performers or other celebrities that gradually came out of the closet in the late '70's and early 80's. Long hair and effeminate clothing had long been the hallmark of such people up to then.

These days, I even know of a "Baptist" pastor that wears an earring and long hair, who incidentally hates the KJV.

The sad fact is that all of these trappings of sodomites are now part and parcel of the CCM movement. I am not saying any of these people are sodomotes...far from it, but their lack of discernment in this area has to be acknowledged.

The CCM style is modelled after an industry that is populated and run by deviates, drug users, effeminates and sodomites.

Below is a paste of Genesis 35:4 and a commentary of the verse taken from the E Sword program. What does God have to say about the wearing of earrings?

Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

Commentary;
and all their earrings which were in their ears; not the earrings that women wore in common, such as Abraham's servant gave to Rebekah, and which Jacob's wives might wear, for such were not unlawful; but either which were worn in the ears of the strange gods or idols; for such used, it seems, according to some writers, to be decorated and ornamented after that manner; or rather in the ears of the idolaters themselves, worn by them in a superstitious way, having the images of these idols on them: so the Targum of Jonathan,"and the earrings which were in the ears of the inhabitants of the city of Shechem, in which were formed the likeness of their idols:"

How can the wearing of earrings by members of the CCM movement, or indeed, any other Christian be acceptable in the light of even this one verse of scripture??


Fundy

I'm pretty much considered "a man with puritanical tendencies" by my peers. I don't wear jewelry. I don't wear make-up. I don't go to public swimming pools (or any for that fact - I don't believe in "mixed-bathing). I don't enjoy many if any sports (personal taste on this one), and I'm not a "sipping-saint", I believe people should dress modestly (if you ain't fishin', don't bait the hook" type thing, keeping your privates private!), and my musical tastes are on a song-by-song merit (again, my personal tastes on this one). I don't support the CCM industry, but I like some CCM music (not all). The church I attend is strong on the Word (both the Pastor and Assistant Pastor are KJV preachers). They use contemporary music, hymns, ethnic style and some jazz. Most of it I like. But, they are strong on the Word and that is their main focus. The music is a tool to worship and praise God.

Having said all that, I want to point out that some people get saved out of very wicked and vile life-styles. We need to make sure we don't "blow them out of the water" with some of our doctrines. We don't want to chase them off. Our goal is to draw them and help them grow.

This is another example of where speaking the truth in love comes in. We absolutely have to be loving and not condemning to these young Christians. I guess you might say, in a sense, meet them where they're at. Don't feed them meat if they're not ready for it. At the same time we can't risk compromising with the world in any way. We want to be yielded to the Holy Spirit and let Him draw them in and help them grow through us. Don't let them grow for awhile by trying to appeal to their emotions and then fall away thinking that what the church offers isn't that much different from what they had.

I've often wondered what is the attraction with jewelry and such? I wear a watch (a cheap one), other than that I have no interest in hanging things all over my body, and definitely not nailing them to my body (piercings, mutilation). I can't even think of a time I thought jewelry made a woman more attractive. Esther was the most attractive even though she chose not to be adorned with anything but what was required of her (not that I actually saw her :)).

Revangelist, you said it right, the Word is what is important--and the Word is what will cause a person to come under conviction and be born again [faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God], and when a person is born again, the Bible says that all things become new, and we walk in newness of life....if the music we're playing in Church sounds like the music of my "old life", I would be afraid it might become a stumbling block to me.....As far as doctrine overwhelming new Christians, I am a minister, but I would never "preach at someone", it isn't my job:
The margin gives convince for reprove--The Holy Spirit's job is to convict people of their sins, and He does a wonderful job of it. New converts are just that--new--the Bible says
We should all continue to grow, and we need to be in a church which promotes growth [full of Christ's love] But I have to say I would not be comfortable going to a Church where people looked and acted just like the idolatrous world, listened to music inspired by the idolatrous world, and were not convicted by it....if the Word [KJV] is being preached, there will be [should be] conviction....

I read through this entire thread again this morning and realize I have already repeated in my earlier posts what many others have already eloquently said--a lot of good thoughts from good people whether we all agree or not. But I'll end with one more thought--I've had to read a lot of books before being ordained and of course, every minister to be has either heard of or had to read "The purpose driven church"--I didn't make it very far in the book, because he stated in the very beginning of his church in Saddleback, CA he got aggravated at all the infighting in his "church" about music and decided to pass out 3x5 index cards with the question--what kind of music do you listen to?? and 95 percent said they listened to adult contemporary:confused:, [does anyone see the humor in that besides me?] [sounds like a good place for a revival][I assume they have no Christian stations in CA;)]and based on that he decided to become an "unapologetic contemporary church" [again I refer you to Matthew 7:21-23], and as far as how important he thinks the Word is, I need only one quote: "When Gods Word is taught in an uninteresting way, people just don't think the pastor is boring, but that God is boring" to which I reply--God's Word is NEVER uninteresting--[can you guess where he was headed with that--away from the KJV] needless to say, music was most prominant in his church design. I close [finally:)] with these questions: do we really need new music to bring people to Christ?? Will the dawn of CCM truly help the Kingdom of Heaven??

Remember the Word:

[sorry this was so long, but I'm done:)]

God bless

Scott,

I was called to preach in 1992 (or at leeast I didn't realize it until then). Before that, since 1977, I would go to Rescue Missions and I mostly did music. Some of the times I had a Christian drama team with me who did "illustrated" sermons. There were many times, in particular in the early 1990's, when what i did was music and an altar call, we had as many as 50 come to the altar to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. The music I did was not only original (composed by me), but, as one person said, "very aggresive with the Gospel Message.

Just FYI.

Hello, Pastor Mikie, Good to hear your testimony.....We all know this verse, fill in the blanks:"faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the _______ ___ _____"--you know how that verse ends, and that isn't my opinion, that is the Word of the Living God!! If people are truly drawn to Christ in your ministry, it isn't because of the music, it is because of the Word. I once heard RW Shambach tell one of his many stories [yes I, a Baptist, have heard RW many times in my lifetime and I love his stories--when he gets too crazy, I turn him off:D], anyhow he tells of when he first began preaching on a street corner in Philadelphia, he said he had a young boy [didn't mention if he was saved or not] who played music for him [I believe it was a guitar, but my memory fails me, it may have been an accordion, shucks it might have been a gazoo] anyhow he said he would draw a crowd and when he drew the crowd, he said he'd grab him by the belt loops and pull him backwards out of the way and RW would start preaching....the music drew attention, but it was the Word that was prominent--now I know this may seem to contradict my argument about music, but we are talking about a street corner, not the House of Worship!! Getting back to your testimony, If God has gifted you [and only you know this] with an ability to draw people to Christ, then use it!! You don't need anybody's opinion about anything. Just like when God called you to preach [I remember my calling April 21, 1995] it really doesn't matter what other people think, you [and I] have a calling from the Lord. And we are different, and people are different, there are some I may reach that you may not be able to and vice versa; But, according to the Word itself, faith doesn't come by music. It comes by hearing the Word of God-- it is the Word that convicts and works to real salvation. David could play music that could soothe Sauls soul, but he [Saul] sure didn't get right with Lord through the music--If your ministry is winning souls and making disciples for Christ, then you keep on keeping on.....God bless

Thanks. The music was just a vehicle (I didn't realize I was called to preach until 15 years after I started ministering). There a many verses of Scripture (KJB of course) that I have put to music. That is one way I memorize Scripture. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the power or God unto salvation...(Romans 1:16). The lyrics were sermons set to music.

That's really awesome Pastor Mike. God bless you for your sound creativity.

Contrast "ministering" and "preaching" for me, please, brother? I can't see the difference, and I didn't know there was one before today.

To me preaching is a form of ministry. "Ministering" would include preaching, but covers other Christian service. Like, praying, singing, serving communion, baptizing, teaching, those kinds of things.

I agree with Revangelist. Ministering would be any service done for the Lord, while preaching is one form of ministry. Not all ministers preach, for example.

I think the best approach here is to use the instruments of God to tear down the walls of the world.

Maybe it's a stupid illustration, but when Israel marched around Jericho, they did it silently. They didn't shout out to Jericho "hey, your walls are ungodly, they are evil, and we are going to knock them down". They walked around, praying no doubt, and then, after a time, they used some of God's instruments (trumpet and voice), and blasted them and the walls fell down.

Why not, instead of getting angry at people and telling them the music they like is wrong , just try to share with them some of the God honouring music. Backsliders can be very protective about what they feel brings them close to God. I know I was. They are saved, but they are doing things that are wrong, they live in the world, but uncomfortably, and to prove that they are "different" to the world, they grasp hold of labels and bands and people and things, rather than the word.

To challenge them on whether the music they are listening to is right or wrong only drives them further from the truth, and closer to what they "feel" brings them close to God.

Try offering them some encouraging godly Christian music and tell them how much of a blessing the music is to you, and how honouring it is to God. If they are going to lose the CCM, they will need to fill that hole up with something.

Another thing: In regards to music, the KJB or any other issue one might hold dear, we need to come across loving and with joy. When trying to exhort someone, we can come across as grumpy. That doesn't prophet anything. If we listen to godly music, and another Christian does not, and we get in their face about it, to them we just seem like a grouch and they won't listen to us because they don't want to be like us. Some "contenders of the faith" are actually pushing people away with their "being right". If their "being right" doesn't produce good fruit, then, what doth it prophet?

Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.