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Shofar 02-23-2009 12:41 PM

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Hey there, guess this fits in the general area. I keep testament of the King James Bible & found this place to be a good reference website for words & definitions that help me in my study. Curious to meet some new faces that follow the words of our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ.

Yea, I only keep the King James. I would keep the hebrew if I could, but I'm not good with other languages other than english.

Forrest 02-23-2009 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shofar (Post 15771)
Hey there, guess this fits in the general area. I keep testament of the King James Bible & found this place to be a good reference website for words & definitions that help me in my study. Curious to meet some new faces that follow the words of our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ.

Yea, I only keep the King James. I would keep the hebrew if I could, but I'm not good with other languages other than english.

:welcome: to the Forum. I'm sure others will expound--but regarding your thoughts on:

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I would keep the hebrew if I could, but I'm not good with other languages other than english.
My opinion. You don't need Hebrew or Greek. All you need is the word in the King James Bible preserved in the English language. And the indwelling Holy Spirit to open your eyes of spiritual understanding.
Psalms 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Shofar 02-23-2009 11:55 PM

I'll keep that psalm close, thank you. :amen:

chette777 02-24-2009 02:33 AM

I have an old Tankh in English printed in 1915. it is exactly the same as the KJV Old Testament.

geologist 02-24-2009 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Forrest (Post 15773)
My opinion. You don't need Hebrew or Greek. All you need is the word in the King James Bible preserved in the English language. And the indwelling Holy Spirit to open your eyes of spiritual understanding.

Quite true, but looking things up in either Greek or Hebrew can also be helpful, at times.

Shofar 02-24-2009 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chette777 (Post 15809)
I have an old Tankh in English printed in 1915. it is exactly the same as the KJV Old Testament.

I recently acquire an audio copy of the New Testament spoken in Hebrew, it's really interesting to listen & hear the words. So far, Matthew 1 is perhaps the only chapter that I can put 2 & 2 together as to which words translate as what, but it looks like I have a long road ahead of me before I can comprehend the mechanics of the language.

It's rewarding though, I'm learning much - thanks be to God. :)

Rolando 02-24-2009 01:06 PM

Welcome to the forums brother Shofar. I myself have not been here for long, but do feel right at home in this forum. I pray you get to feel the same way as I. It is my advice that you stick to the King James Authorized Version as your main version for Bible study and growing in the LORD. The Authorized Version is the perfect word of GOD written in English but if you feel you must posses the original language Testaments, I recommend you do get the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament (I noticed you mentioned you had a Hebrew New Testament). The reason I recommend the Greek New Testament (which is the original language for the New Testament) is that you don't get caught up by the Hebrew Roots Movement heresy like I almost did myself. I also recommend you be careful which ones you get since they are corrupted text out there known as the Alexandrian text. Be careful and do some research, and I'm also sure that they're brothers in Christ here that will explain with more detail if you ask. Finally, brother I going to ask you out of curiosity (because of you avatar), are you from Jewish decent?

stephanos 02-24-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geologist (Post 15813)
Quite true, but looking things up in either Greek or Hebrew can also be helpful, at times.

There is NEVER a time where you'll need to use the Greek or Hebrew to understand the King James Bible. Why? Because you will not find an inerrant infallible Greek or Hebrew Bible, but you King James is inerrant and infallible and IS IN THE LANGUAGE YOU SPEAK!!!

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

Winman 02-24-2009 08:43 PM

I think that Stephen brings up one of the problems of being KJBO. I think some people, especially non-English speaking people are offended, thinking that somehow the English speaking people are implying that they hold special favor with God.

Now, I have my own theory on this, JUST A THEORY. I could be wrong.

After the King James Bible, Britain became the most vast empire in all human history. This map shows all the lands under Britain at it's peak.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ish_Empire.png

And I think this is why God brought about the KJB, to spread the true Word of God to the entire world. It is not because the English speaking people are favored by God more than non-English speaking peoples, but God knew the British Empire would extend across the world.

Shofar 02-24-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolando (Post 15829)
Welcome to the forums brother Shofar. I myself have not been here for long, but do feel right at home in this forum. I pray you get to feel the same way as I. It is my advice that you stick to the King James Authorized Version as your main version for Bible study and growing in the LORD. The Authorized Version is the perfect word of GOD written in English but if you feel you must posses the original language Testaments, I recommend you do get the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament (I noticed you mentioned you had a Hebrew New Testament). The reason I recommend the Greek New Testament (which is the original language for the New Testament) is that you don't get caught up by the Hebrew Roots Movement heresy like I almost did myself. I also recommend you be careful which ones you get since they are corrupted text out there known as the Alexandrian text. Be careful and do some research, and I'm also sure that they're brothers in Christ here that will explain with more detail if you ask. Finally, brother I going to ask you out of curiosity (because of you avatar), are you from Jewish decent?

Hi Rolando, yea, related by blood from an Israelite on my Mom's side of the family. I'm not sure the details of it all, but my Mom keeps a detailed record of our family tree & it does tie with Israel. What tribe? I don't know, it was well before my time. Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I'm not good with Hebrew in terms of discerning exact words, but you do make a good point, I'll do more research on the subject, thank you. :)

Rolando 02-24-2009 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shofar (Post 15867)
Hi Rolando, yea, related by blood from an Israelite on my Mom's side of the family. I'm not sure the details of it all, but my Mom keeps a detailed record of our family tree & it does tie with Israel. What tribe? I don't know, it was well before my time. Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I'm not good with Hebrew in terms of discerning exact words, but you do make a good point, I'll do more research on the subject, thank you. :)

Can I ask you another question? You don't have to answer if you don't want to. How did your the Jewish part of your family take it when they find out you've become a Christian? The reason I ask is because I heard stories before of Jewish Christians who's families don't take it pretty well.

Shofar 02-24-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolando (Post 15869)
Can I ask you another question? You don't have to answer if you don't want to. How did your the Jewish part of your family take it when they find out you've become a Christian? The reason I ask is because I heard stories before of Jewish Christians who's families don't take it pretty well.

Not at all, distance & generation stood between that part of the family from influencing me toward Jewish tradition. Beyond knowing of that side from our family tree, I wasn't part of their life. I was raised as an American from my Dad's side of the family & attended the Methodist church in my youth, of which I was completely oblivious to the scriptures beyond mass on Sunday. Dark days now that I think back, but the choice to accept Jesus Christ & my Lord & Savior was my own without any outside meddling.

Well, I can only speculate that I most likely wouldn't be well received if I ever decide to seek them out, probably better if things stayed as they are.

stephanos 02-25-2009 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shofar (Post 15875)
Not at all, distance & generation stood between that part of the family from influencing me toward Jewish tradition. Beyond knowing of that side from our family tree, I wasn't part of their life. I was raised as an American from my Dad's side of the family & attended the Methodist church in my youth, of which I was completely oblivious to the scriptures beyond mass on Sunday. Dark days now that I think back, but the choice to accept Jesus Christ & my Lord & Savior was my own without any outside meddling.

Well, I can only speculate that I most likely wouldn't be well received if I ever decide to seek them out, probably better if things stayed as they are.

Probably better if you gave them the gospel, because without it they're going to Hell. I'd at least send them som Jewish oriented tracts in the mail. Anything to win them to Christ.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

Shofar 02-25-2009 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stephanos (Post 15894)
Probably better if you gave them the gospel, because without it they're going to Hell. I'd at least send them som Jewish oriented tracts in the mail. Anything to win them to Christ.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

The power of prayer is just as effective, & if the Lord gives me commandment to actually seek them out, i shall do so. Hell is a very disturbing subject for me & I am fully aware of what awaits the unsaved, all the accounts I have read describe a terrible place that I would never wish upon anyone, no matter how evil they treat me. There isn't a moment that I pray for the deliverance & understanding of all that I love & care for & when given opportunity, I speak it plainly & warn them within the limits of what they will allow, for some do not like to hear the truth spoken, for whatever reason that is in their hearts. However, I do know this much for certain, that the Lord's will is moving with great power over all the earth & they the Lord knows shall hear, shall be brought to the truth before the end.

Forrest 02-25-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shofar (Post 15904)
The power of prayer is just as effective, & if the Lord gives me commandment to actually seek them out, i shall do so. Hell is a very disturbing subject for me & I am fully aware of what awaits the unsaved, all the accounts I have read describe a terrible place that I would never wish upon anyone, no matter how evil they treat me. There isn't a moment that I pray for the deliverance & understanding of all that I love & care for & when given opportunity, I speak it plainly & warn them within the limits of what they will allow, for some do not like to hear the truth spoken, for whatever reason that is in their hearts. However, I do know this much for certain, that the Lord's will is moving with great power over all the earth & they the Lord knows shall hear, shall be brought to the truth before the end.

Hi brother. I think you are on the right path. I've learned that with family we can allow our zeal to evangelize do more damage than good.

It is not a small matter to utter the truth when the Holy Spirit guides you. As a word of caution and exhortation; we all need to be careful not to neglect sharing the unfeigned word of truth when the Spirit tugs at our heart and prompts us to do so. Keep a "hot heart" by loving the Lord Jesus and...
"...sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" (1 Peter 3:15).

Shofar 02-25-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Forrest (Post 15910)
Hi brother. I think you are on the right path. I've learned that with family we can allow our zeal to evangelize do more damage than good.

It is not a small matter to utter the truth when the Holy Spirit guides you. As a word of caution and exhortation; we all need to be careful not to neglect sharing the unfeigned word of truth when the Spirit tugs at our heart and prompts us to do so. Keep a "hot heart" by loving the Lord Jesus and...
"...sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" (1 Peter 3:15).

Thank you, Forrest. :amen:

stephanos 02-25-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shofar (Post 15904)
The power of prayer is just as effective, & if the Lord gives me commandment to actually seek them out, i shall do so. Hell is a very disturbing subject for me & I am fully aware of what awaits the unsaved, all the accounts I have read describe a terrible place that I would never wish upon anyone, no matter how evil they treat me. There isn't a moment that I pray for the deliverance & understanding of all that I love & care for & when given opportunity, I speak it plainly & warn them within the limits of what they will allow, for some do not like to hear the truth spoken, for whatever reason that is in their hearts. However, I do know this much for certain, that the Lord's will is moving with great power over all the earth & they the Lord knows shall hear, shall be brought to the truth before the end.

Right, but you could send them something anonymously. I'd recommend that you send them something from http://askdrbrown.org. Prayer is very important, and you obviously should keep that up. But I just want to help you reach them because I love the Jews. I wanna make sure someone reaches your family, because the chances are, someone that doesn't know they're Jewish will give them a basic tract that won't address any objections they may have. Therefore, someone needs to send them something that would do just that. :eyebrows:

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

BornAgainBibleBeliever514 02-26-2009 08:18 AM

Tiny note: That Dr.Brown guy, although he may be tackling some issues, and has a heart for Israel, is a Pentecostal, failing to rightly divide.

stephanos 02-26-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BornAgainBibleBeliever514 (Post 15947)
Tiny note: That Dr.Brown guy, although he may be tackling some issues, and has a heart for Israel, is a Pentecostal, failing to rightly divide.

Right, but he's the only guy I've heard take on any rabbi willing to debate with him. He's a smart guy that knows Israelites and their flawed arguments.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Hayseed 03-11-2009 01:38 AM

My son and his wife just recently purchased KJV Bibles and as he was leaving church,he dropped it and the man that picked it up, began getting quite snooty about it.
He became challenging toward my 27yearold son on his preferred version of the Bible.It was such a blessing that my son and his wife had recently been seeing a DVD that I had on comparisons of Bible versions.That made them give up their NIV's without any input from me,they were convinced themselves.
Another two men approached him and they were on the defensive too,infact one said he had found himself,sixteen errors in the King James Bible..my son has asked him to give him a list so he can check it for himself.

Gosh the KJV get's reactions alright.

I'M EMBARRASSED...I THOUGHT I WAS POSTING ON A KJV TOPIC I SAW....SORRY FOLKS!

Kiwi Christian 03-11-2009 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hayseed (Post 16653)
It was such a blessing that my son and his wife had recently been seeing a DVD that I had on comparisons of Bible versions.That made them give up their NIV's without any input from me,they were convinced themselves.

That is a wonderful blessing, especially for them. It's amazing how little effort it takes sometimes to convince sincere belivers of the truth of the King James Bible. The fact is that most Christians don't even know there is a bible version issue! This is a sad indictment on the Church today, it demonstrates how little importance is being placed on God's word, and also demonstrates how successful Satan has been in getting corrupted versions of the Bible into the hands of God's children.

stephanos 03-11-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hayseed (Post 16653)
My son and his wife just recently purchased KJV Bibles and as he was leaving church,he dropped it and the man that picked it up, began getting quite snooty about it.
He became challenging toward my 27yearold son on his preferred version of the Bible.It was such a blessing that my son and his wife had recently been seeing a DVD that I had on comparisons of Bible versions.That made them give up their NIV's without any input from me,they were convinced themselves.
Another two men approached him and they were on the defensive too,infact one said he had found himself,sixteen errors in the King James Bible..my son has asked him to give him a list so he can check it for himself.

Gosh the KJV get's reactions alright.

I'M EMBARRASSED...I THOUGHT I WAS POSTING ON A KJV TOPIC I SAW....SORRY FOLKS!

Do you know which video it was they watched? Was it Gail Riplinger's "Transparent Translations"?

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Hayseed 03-11-2009 10:34 PM

It was "Hidden Secrets Of New Bibles Exposed" an underground christian network DVD

After they watched that and had that incident happen,they felt on track.

They have since watched "The Terrible Text" by Dr Peter S Ruckman.

Luke 03-16-2009 03:39 PM

Hayseed, you said you had a 27 year old son? I'm 27 myself. Be great to have someone in NZ to chat to around my age :) Does he have an email address?

Hayseed 03-17-2009 12:03 AM

Luke he is on holiday with his wife down the South Island at the moment and I don't use his e-mail address,we use Facebook to communicate,but I can ask him for his e-mail address and PM you.
He goes back to Canada next month with his wife.We have been blessed with their company for 3 months,a lovely visit.
I have another son married to a Canadian and they live here,her parents are visiting at the moment for three weeks.It's lovely.


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