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buzzoff1031 01-09-2009 04:59 PM

My faith and my wife.
 
This is going to be tough for me. I have never fully commited to Jesus. I play at it and then check out other religions. My wife is also unsaved. I know the truth in my head, but don't follow. Of course my wife thinks I'm dumb for this. Advise welcome

George 01-09-2009 06:26 PM

Re: " My faith and my wife."
 
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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14220)
This is going to be tough for me. I have never fully commited to Jesus. I play at it and then check out other religions. My wife is also unsaved. I know the truth in my head, but don't follow. Of course my wife thinks I'm dumb for this. Advise welcome


Aloha brother,

First things first - NO ONE (in the flesh) is ever "fully committed" to Jesus. The greatest Christian that ever lived confessed:

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


Read Romans Chapters 5-8. These are some of the things that the Apostle Paul wrote, of which the Apostle Peter said: ". . . . which are some things hard to be understood, . . . ." [2 Peter 3:16], but if you can get a hold of the truth in these passages, you will stop trying to please the Lord in your flesh (i.e. "fully committed") and start to walk in the Spirit.
[Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.]

Read and re-read the Psalms - they are a great help and support in a Christian's walk; and don't forget to continue to pray for your wife's salvation. Don't be "pushy", it took about 4 years for my wife to get saved from the time that we married. {A steady and reliable testimony is the most effective means for seeing a spouse saved - far more than "words" without "fruit". Lost people know that we Christians are supposed to bear "fruit" (they're not impressed with "works") in our lives.}

And always remember to: "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." [ Proverbs 3:5]

And keep looking unto the Lord Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

buzzoff1031 01-09-2009 07:15 PM

The problem is more that I haven't been faithful to Christ. It's like one day I want to follow him, the next I'm a buddhist. Add to that the fact that I have an addiction to porn and I can't blame her. How do I become more solid in my faith?

Here Am I 01-09-2009 07:39 PM

buzzoff, I have a question for you:

Do you ever recall a time when you asked God to save you, really wanted Jesus Christ to be your Saviour?

We all have the head knowledge, but many don't get beyond that, don't truly become born again children of God.

Tell us about when you think you first became a believer. That will help me, for one, to better discern your spiritual condition, and be able to offer advice.

BTW, reading the Bible, as George suggested, is an excellent way to avoid the sinful things that tempt us, whether it is porn or gluttony or smoking or gossip or ...


"Sin will keep me from the Bible, but the Bible will keep me from sin"

buzzoff1031 01-10-2009 03:32 PM

I recall a time when I was a kid when I said "the prayer." But as far as actually repenting and making Christ the Lord of my life...I'm not sure I know how. I've gone to church my whole life (until I was 18, I'm 28 now and still don't), and don't know.

buzzoff1031 01-11-2009 01:14 AM

I also wanted to add that, as of now, I still don't go to church. I allow any doctrine or belief that comes across to influence me. I want to know I'm saved, and I want my wife (who's completely against religion) to be saved with me. What must I do?

Kiwi Christian 01-11-2009 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Here Am I (Post 14241)
BTW, reading the Bible, as George suggested, is an excellent way to avoid the sinful things that tempt us, whether it is porn or gluttony or smoking or gossip or ...

"Sin will keep me from the Bible, but the Bible will keep me from sin"

Yes, and some Christians with addictions need to read the Bible in an unfurnished room with just a table and chair, while handcuffed to the table!

stephanos 01-11-2009 03:22 AM

Buzzoff1031, you don't need to do anything to be saved except believe that Jesus Christ is the only way for a man to be saved. If you've done that, or if you'll do that now you WILL be saved. If you haven't done that, then do it now. Know that God sent His Son to be sin in your place. I posted these verses in your other question. I'll post them again since it's very important that you read these and believe them.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6 KJV)

Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:29-31 KJV)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9 KJV)

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:14-15 KJV)

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22 KJV)


If you have any doubts that you've not trusted in the finished work of Jesus Christ then now is the time to do so. Go to God in prayer and tell Him that you're sorry for your sins and that you trust in Jesus Christ alone to atone for your sins and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness. Ask God to have mercy on you and to forgive you of all the sinful things you've done in your life. It doesn't matter how you word things in this prayer. The only thing that matters is that you believe. If you've done this now, or believe you've truly repented of working your way into heaven in the past and trust Christ alone to save you, then tell someone about it now. Find a good independant fundamental baptist church and tell them you've believed and recieved Jesus Christ as your savior and that you wish to confess Jesus as Lord and be baptised. If you've done this, then YOU ARE SAVED! You will spend eternity with the Lord Jesus. And know that you can have fellowship with Him now, and every day by going to Him in prayer and by reading and believing His Word, the King James Bible.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Here Am I 01-11-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14314)
I also wanted to add that, as of now, I still don't go to church. I allow any doctrine or belief that comes across to influence me. I want to know I'm saved, and I want my wife (who's completely against religion) to be saved with me. What must I do?

Stephen gave you some great verses.

The main thing is that you realize that you're a sinner, and you can't 'save' yourself...you need God to do it.

He's already done what needed to be done: took all our sins and died for them. All you have to do is believe, accept it.

If you truly believe in your heart, and ask the Lord to save you, He will.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:9-13)

buzzoff1031 01-11-2009 10:10 PM

I believe in Christ's atoning work alone as the vehicle for my salvation. Also, I know a great church to go to. My wife says though, that I can have church or her. I've changed my mind so much, she doesn't think I'm serious. What to do now?

stephanos 01-11-2009 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14352)
I believe in Christ's atoning work alone as the vehicle for my salvation. Also, I know a great church to go to. My wife says though, that I can have church or her. I've changed my mind so much, she doesn't think I'm serious. What to do now?

Your wife must submit to you as you submit to Christ Jesus.

Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. (Ephesians 5:21-33 KJV)

Your wife must realize that as a man, and spiritual leader of the home, you have a responsibility to do what is right for that home. But I must warn you, that you mustn't fall into the sin that Adam fell into. Don't let your wife drag you down if that's what she's ultimately going to do. Just keep seeking Christ every day and let your conversation (lifestyle) witness to her. I'd suggest that you pray for her without ceasing. You know, if anyone will notice a change in you, it will be her. Make sure she sees one and it will speak volumes of the power of Christ.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

stephanos 01-11-2009 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14352)
I believe in Christ's atoning work alone as the vehicle for my salvation. Also, I know a great church to go to. My wife says though, that I can have church or her. I've changed my mind so much, she doesn't think I'm serious. What to do now?

I also want to add that when I got saved my folks thought I was joking when I up and out of nowhere told them I recieved Jesus Christ last night :pound: (after years of mocking them for their faith). I was like you, in that I was into nearly every religion before I received Christ. So my advice to you is to shew your wife that you mean business. Put your foot down brother and join that church. Shine the light for JESUS!

No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. (Luke 11:33 KJV)

Peace and Love,
Stephen

buzzoff1031 01-12-2009 12:33 AM

There's no way that my wife will either understand or submit right now. I can love her with all my being. But, do you think I still need to start going to church no matter what she says or what happens?

MC1171611 01-12-2009 12:53 AM

Dealing with an unsaved wife is going to be a challenge that only God can truly help you overcome, brother. I'd sit down with her and explain to her, if I were you, how that you're settled in your belief now. Make sure she knows that you love her dearly, but that you must surrender your life to Christ because of the great sacrifice that He made for you. Lord willing, she will be able to understand enough to not leave; if you approach her with love and understanding, it will be a lot easier on her.

stephanos 01-12-2009 02:37 AM

Yeah, what Vince said above. ^_^

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Kiwi Christian 01-12-2009 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14358)
There's no way that my wife will either understand or submit right now. I can love her with all my being. But, do you think I still need to start going to church no matter what she says or what happens?

This could be your opportunity to prove your love for Jesus Christ? If your wife is adamant that she is never going to love the Lord and is also threatening you to make a choice between her or church/God, then choose.

You could always give her time and exercise some more patience with her, postponing going to church and committing the thing to solid prayer and Bible reading, to see what the Lord would have you do. I do believe the Lord would have you go to church, based on what the Bible says, but the time-out with your wife could turn her heart.

Josh 01-12-2009 11:56 AM

Amen to what's been said here. Salvation is simply seeing yourself a sinner, believing in Christ as the only way to Heaven, and putting your trust in Him and what He did on Calvary alone to save you. Many believe He did this, to be saved you must trust in Him and His work.

Definitely read your Bible(KJB) everyday. As for your wife, you'll have to pray about it. I believe every believer should be in a solid KJB church. But like saud already, you may need to be a witness to her either by waiting, or just going and letting her see your true dedication.

I'll be praying for you.

Forrest 01-12-2009 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14358)
There's no way that my wife will either understand or submit right now. I can love her with all my being. But, do you think I still need to start going to church no matter what she says or what happens?

Personally, I do not think you need to go to a church at this point.

I would exhort you to do this instead. What I am about to suggest will require genuine brokenness on your part. It will require genuine love. It will require genuine humility. If you attempt to do this and it's not genuine, your wife will know it and you'll do more damage.

Remember "Buzz" that she is a weaker vessel and has different feelings (emotions) and needs than you do as a man. You cannot simply unload and dump all of your sinful garbage and wrong choices on her and expect her to react like a man would.

You wrote:

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The problem is more that I haven't been faithful to Christ. It's like one day I want to follow him, the next I'm a buddhist. Add to that the fact that I have an addiction to porn and I can't blame her. How do I become more solid in my faith?
First, examine your words and your deeds. She knows you are not faithful to Jesus Christ. She knows you are inconsistent. She knows you are a double minded man and that you are unstable in all your ways.
James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
What is the solution?
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
Second, after God opens your eyes and helps you see what she sees, I would go to her, broken and contrite and confess my sin.

I would say something like this. It has to be your words and it must be genuine. Don't waste her time if it's not. Think about what you've done, not what she has or has not done. It's not about her and what she has or has not done. It's about you. When, and if, God breaks your heart, I would say something along these lines.
Sweetheart, God has convicted me that I have been so wrong. I've been wrong in my anger. I've been wrong in my harsh words. I am addicted to immorality and I know this is wrong. I have dishonored you as my wife. I have failed to truly demonstrate my love for you. I do not deserve your forgiveness, but I ask for your forgiveness. Will you forgive me?
She may be so wounded or hurt, that she's unable to forgive you. She may get angry at you. She may laugh you off. She may doubt your sincerity. But, if God truly breaks your heart, you will approach her with no strings attached. You will not expect her to confess her faults and although you hope she is able to forgive you, she may not. But this must be done.

Finally, follow the counsel you've already received from the other brothers. Be consistent in your walk in the Lord. She had much rather see a sermon than hear one any day. Be patient. Do not give up. Jesus is patient with us, isn't He?

Bro. Parrish 01-17-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14352)
I believe in Christ's atoning work alone as the vehicle for my salvation. Also, I know a great church to go to. My wife says though, that I can have church or her. I've changed my mind so much, she doesn't think I'm serious. What to do now?

Listen, for the sake of your marriage, the two of you might want to seek out a Bible believing church and ask the pastor for some private marital counseling. You are the head of the home and you need to take leadership in this. This might help your wife make a shift from her current posture. I have seen this save many marriages and make stronger couples too. A few hours with an experienced pastor who believes the Bible can often make a big difference in a marriage.

buzzoff1031 01-20-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish (Post 14596)
Listen, for the sake of your marriage, the two of you might want to seek out a Bible believing church and ask the pastor for some private marital counseling. You are the head of the home and you need to take leadership in this. This might help your wife make a shift from her current posture. I have seen this save many marriages and make stronger couples too. A few hours with an experienced pastor who believes the Bible can often make a big difference in a marriage.

What if my wife refuses this to. See, she grew up in a family situation that causes two problems. They taught her that whatever beliefs she has spiritually are okay. So obviously, she thinks religion in general is stupid. Also, her mom has had mental "issues" for a while. Her mom's bi-polar, agoraphobic, and a couple of other phobias. Also, her biological father abandoned the family when she was very young (like 2 or 3), and her step dad was a drunk cheat. The family counseling thing was tried and failed. So now she doesn't believe in counseling either. Going to a pastor for counseling...well, I doubt she'll even consider it.

Bro. Parrish 01-21-2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14700)
What if my wife refuses this to. See, she grew up in a family situation that causes two problems. They taught her that whatever beliefs she has spiritually are okay. So obviously, she thinks religion in general is stupid. Also, her mom has had mental "issues" for a while. Her mom's bi-polar, agoraphobic, and a couple of other phobias. Also, her biological father abandoned the family when she was very young (like 2 or 3), and her step dad was a drunk cheat. The family counseling thing was tried and failed. So now she doesn't believe in counseling either. Going to a pastor for counseling...well, I doubt she'll even consider it.

Hmmm, well yes that is a bit of a pickle, but if she loves you and you set the proper tone and speak the truth in love, then I think she will follow her husband to the ends of the Earth. Women can be wonderful that way, we really got a wonderful gift from God. Your wife simply needs to hear and understand the Gospel of Christ, again I want to encourage you---seek out a Bible believing church and ask the pastor for some private marital counseling. I have seen this change MANY lives of young couples, I have prayed in people's homes and watched God heal those marriages and families... the Gospel is the REAL DEAL and I can say with confidence---it will work for you and yours. :)

stephanos 01-21-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14700)
What if my wife refuses this to. See, she grew up in a family situation that causes two problems. They taught her that whatever beliefs she has spiritually are okay. So obviously, she thinks religion in general is stupid. Also, her mom has had mental "issues" for a while. Her mom's bi-polar, agoraphobic, and a couple of other phobias. Also, her biological father abandoned the family when she was very young (like 2 or 3), and her step dad was a drunk cheat. The family counseling thing was tried and failed. So now she doesn't believe in counseling either. Going to a pastor for counseling...well, I doubt she'll even consider it.

I'm not sure you two need counciling (not that it would hurt later on, but it does sound like at this point in time it would make her very uncomfortable if you were to drag her into a pastors office). I just think your relationship with your wife needs consistency. Seeing you practicing what you've professed to believe will do wonders for her. My best advice I can offer is that you simply love her as Christ loves you. This, I think, will make her more open to what you've got in Christ Jesus. Oh and let her see you reading the Good Book everyday since this will be a huge witness to her that you mean business when it comes to your relationship with Christ. It may make her uncomfortable, but the changes she sees in you towads her will balance things out.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Luke 01-21-2009 02:32 AM

Did I come here and join up in my sleep or something? It's like I am watching myself post, but it's someone else.

I have, for the longest time, struggled with assurance of salvation because of sin in my life and my lack of total and complete devotion to Christ.

Luke 01-21-2009 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14314)
I also wanted to add that, as of now, I still don't go to church. I allow any doctrine or belief that comes across to influence me. I want to know I'm saved, and I want my wife (who's completely against religion) to be saved with me. What must I do?

Get away from the internet. You can spend 15 minutes on the internet and find 500 different people who will tell you 250 different ways to be saved. It's a hell hole... and that's just the surface. The internet has such darkness on it.

I've been cutting down my time on the net. I got some good Bible commentaries today. I am going to start reading them prayerfully (along with my Bible of course, which I am reading more and more steadily).

George 01-21-2009 10:25 AM

Re: "Brother Luke"
 
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Originally Posted by Luke (Post 14724)
Did I come here and join up in my sleep or something? It's like I am watching myself post, but it's someone else.

I have, for the longest time, struggled with assurance of salvation because of sin in my life and my lack of total and complete devotion to Christ.

Dear brother Luke,

IF our Salvation is dependent on our being "sinless"; or IF our Salvation is dependent on our "keeping it"; or IF our Salvation is dependent on "our devotion to the Lord" - then we ARE ALL LOST! For "all have sinned and come short of the glory of the Lord".

But the Lord Jesus Christ said: "IT IS FINISHED"! :amen: WHAT was finished? Why - OUR SALVATION! He did (for us) what we couldn't do in the flesh.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Brother, your general "assessment" of the net is true. However, this Forum (although imperfect) is one of the few places on the net where one can find people (not all) who are directing others to God's Holy words. And if there be some that don't do that; or if there is some confusion in the advise that is given, Christian men (brethren) like Stephanos, Bro. Parrish, Forrest, Josh, Kiwi Christian, MC1171611, and sister "Here Am I" and even myself (Post #2) are trying to help out a young man who obviously is crying out for help.

Some of us have lived long enough to know that in this present world we (Christians) are going to have TRIALS & TRIBULATIONS:

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Our HOPE is in the Lord Jesus Christ, for He is the ONE (THE ONLY ONE) Who has "overcome the world"!

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

The above verses tell us WHY and to WHAT purpose "Tribulations" serve. The longer you live, the more you will understand this (take my word for it). I have been particularly hard-hearted, and it has taken me far to long to understand many of these truths, that I should have understood decades ago. But, praise be to God, He has broken through my stubbornness and hard heart and has gotten me to understand things out of His Holy word that I had no "inkling" about even five years ago!

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Brother, don't despair over sin in your life - at least your conscience hasn't become "seared", or "defiled" (you're still aware of sin). At least your conscience hasn't become "evil" (where you justify sin). Keep praying and be aware:
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

And remember to keep:
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
"

[Hebrews 12:2-4]

May God bless you brother for having an honest and sincere heart. I pray that God will always bless you in your "walk" with Him, and throughout all of your trials and temptations, and that He will make His presence known to you.

Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

cb6445 03-02-2009 12:24 AM

Salvation
 
I'll be praying for you brother. I've been in worse shape. But God's GRACE is SUFFICIENT for THEE! Quit trying to do anything and just call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you're not sure if you're saved, ask the ONLY one who can give you the answer, the LORD JESUS CHRIST! Don't try to quit lookin at porn or try to quit any other sin in your life. Give it the Lord, he can handle it you cannot! Self reformation is just a waste of time. If you do manage to give up porn, you'll just get hooked on something else. Humble yourself before the Lord, hit your knees in prayer and beg the Lord Jesus to give you peace with your salvation. He'll show you! I would be more concerned with that right now than I would be your individual sin. "Examine yourself, whether ye be in the faith..." (1 Cho 13:5). The Bible says you in 1 John 5:13 "...that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life..." Do you know for a FACT you are saved? Do you have Godly sorrow, does the Lord chastise you for your continued sin? I just worry, 'cause I repeated a little prayer when I was a boy and have lived my whole life in sin, but thought I was saved. There's a whole generation of sinners with a false profession of faith w/out repentance. You cannot get saved without being drawn/convicted by God through the Holy Ghost and you cannot get saved w/out repentance. I'm sure plenty of you will disagree, but that's the truth!:amen:

stephanos 03-02-2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cb6445 (Post 16088)
I'll be praying for you brother. I've been in worse shape. But God's GRACE is SUFFICIENT for THEE! Quit trying to do anything and just call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you're not sure if you're saved, ask the ONLY one who can give you the answer, the LORD JESUS CHRIST! Don't try to quit lookin at porn or try to quit any other sin in your life. Give it the Lord, he can handle it you cannot! Self reformation is just a waste of time. If you do manage to give up porn, you'll just get hooked on something else. Humble yourself before the Lord, hit your knees in prayer and beg the Lord Jesus to give you peace with your salvation. He'll show you! I would be more concerned with that right now than I would be your individual sin. "Examine yourself, whether ye be in the faith..." (1 Cho 13:5). The Bible says you in 1 John 5:13 "...that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life..." Do you know for a FACT you are saved? Do you have Godly sorrow, does the Lord chastise you for your continued sin? I just worry, 'cause I repeated a little prayer when I was a boy and have lived my whole life in sin, but thought I was saved. There's a whole generation of sinners with a false profession of faith w/out repentance. You cannot get saved without being drawn/convicted by God through the Holy Ghost and you cannot get saved w/out repentance. I'm sure plenty of you will disagree, but that's the truth!:amen:

Are you finished with that garbage? The last thing my brother needs is someone like you telling him he needs repentance to be saved. Take it somewhere else. :mad:

Stephen

cb6445 03-02-2009 07:48 PM

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So, your saying no repentance is needed for salvation? I'm just simply trying to say, it's possible he's not saved at all. He even admitted earlier he didn't know. Sorry the word of God offends you. It's not garbage. If you're not ready to repent YOU ARE NOT READY TO BE SAVED! But anyway, sir, if you're unsure of your salvation take it to the Lord Jesus! :amen: Careful calling the word of God "garbage" Stephanos.

MC1171611 03-02-2009 09:48 PM

1) you have the wrong definition of repentance

2) nowhere in the Gospel of Grace is repentance for salvation found

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Repentance has been discussed on here many times, so I don't think this is the time to rehash it. However, as far as the issue at hand:

Pornography is a sin against yourself, your family, and against God. Trust me, I know plenty about that. :( As a Christian, you need to confess that sin and ask God to give you the strength to overcome it. "If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

1Cor. 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

stephanos 03-02-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cb6445 (Post 16122)
So, your saying no repentance is needed for salvation? I'm just simply trying to say, it's possible he's not saved at all. He even admitted earlier he didn't know. Sorry the word of God offends you. It's not garbage. If you're not ready to repent YOU ARE NOT READY TO BE SAVED! But anyway, sir, if you're unsure of your salvation take it to the Lord Jesus! :amen: Careful calling the word of God "garbage" Stephanos.

I'm not calling the word of God garbage. I'm calling your false message of "repent from you sin to be saved" garbage. Like Vince said, there isn't ONE verse that says we Gentiles have to quit sinning to be saved (no I'm not saying we have a license to sin!!!). If you've found one, please do tell. My beloved brother Luke IS SAVED! People don't worry about being saved when they're not saved. Luke is just battling the flesh, like we all do. But his problem, like a lot of ours is, that we've come under attack from self-righteous block heads (Lordship Salvation Calvinist heretics) that think you have to be sinless and perfect to be saved. Well I hate to break this news, we're all still sinners. I'm a sinner. I'll be a sinner until I put off this grave of a body when I hear the trump. So instead of adding fuel to the fire with Luke, could you do something productive and encourage him and love him in Christ? I hope that's not to much to ask. Because if you can't help one Christian battling with sin come to assurance of their salvation, then you have no place on the pulpit.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

cb6445 03-04-2009 08:45 PM

Ok, Bro. Stephen, just wanted to make sure about the "garbage" thing. I am trying to help Luke, by pointing him to the only one who can help him JESUS CHRIST. I don't agree you should EVER tell anybody they are or are not saved, you're not the Holy Ghost. There is but one who can answer that question for you, that's JESUS! I was just trying to help, sorry if it came across any other way. Luke, humble yourself before the Lord and beg his mercy upon you. He can and will give you peace with your salvation and give you the GRACE needed to get you through whatever you might be facing. Just be careful about using the Lord to get you out of your problems, then forgetting him when things go the way you want. Trust me, I've done it. God knows your heart and knows if you're serious about wanting Jesus to rule and reign in your life or if you're just using him as a "crutch." I don't no your heart and am in NO WAY saying that's what you're doing. I know I have tried to use him as a crutch and it got me nowhere. So, the only advice I can give is the same as before, humble yourself before the Lord and beg Jesus for mercy, grace, and peace. He can and will help you! I will continue to pray for you! Stephen, my King James Bible says NOTHING about preaching to give "christians" assurance of their salvation. God called me to "preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctorine." Jesus is the only one who can give assurance of salvation.

cb6445 03-04-2009 08:56 PM

Last Message Here
 
The Lord doesn't put preachers in the pulpit to give assurance of salvation. So, to tell a man he doesn't belong in a pulpit for not giving "assurance" of salvation is ridiculous. The only way I would make a statement like that is if I was fully persuaded a man was preaching another gospel as Paul dealt with in Gal 1.

Diligent 03-04-2009 09:26 PM

It's not all that complicated.
1 John 5:10-13 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It is Jesus that assures our salvation, but the Bible gives us all the assurance we need: do you believe on the Son of God? Then rest assured. Worrying about whether or not you've met someone's formula of repentance or baptism or whatever is just corruption from "the simplicity that is in Christ." (2Co 11:3)

And this idea that "if you're not ready to repent you're not ready to be saved" smacks of works-based salvation, or at least begs the question of how you define repentance. For us now, it's belief first, everything else after.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

stephanos 03-04-2009 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cb6445 (Post 16255)
Stephen, my King James Bible says NOTHING about preaching to give "christians" assurance of their salvation. God called me to "preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctorine."

Wrong, and Correct. You are supposed to preach to Christians that they have assurance of their salvation because it's in the Word!

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13 KJV)

You should be more like John and help people bear more fruit as faithful Christians who don't spend their lives doubting their salvation because their preacher never taught them to have assurance.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

EDIT: Sorry to repeat the passage Brandon gave, just now noticed it. Hehe.

Bibletotingunslinger 03-08-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzoff1031 (Post 14352)
I believe in Christ's atoning work alone as the vehicle for my salvation. Also, I know a great church to go to. My wife says though, that I can have church or her. I've changed my mind so much, she doesn't think I'm serious. What to do now?


BROTHER! Been there done that, HANG IN THERE, I will pray for you, I so know your pain....All else I can say is you must have big shoulders, God will never burden us more than we can take, and you have a load. Know that God will answer your prayers on a daily basis, the wifes salvation may be a while, hang in there and KNOW you are not alone.
Andrew

Luke 03-09-2009 03:13 PM

How did this thread become about me? Wasn't it started by buzzguy about his wife?

peopleoftheway 03-09-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke (Post 14724)
Did I come here and join up in my sleep or something? It's like I am watching myself post, but it's someone else.

I have, for the longest time, struggled with assurance of salvation because of sin in my life and my lack of total and complete devotion to Christ.


Brother its been a while since I posted on the forums, I completely understand what you mean about the internet being a dark place filled with doctrines of devils, let me say with the utmost brotherly compassion that your testimony and tender heart time and time again on this forum testifies with the indwelling Spirit of God that you ARE my brother and I can say that with full assurance,

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The gulit I know that you may feel over your sins are clear enough evidence that The Spirit of truth who abides in us and guides us IS convicting you and calling you to put them right, I would be a lot more worried if you were comfortable in your sins with no conviction.

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

We all have different measures of faith in our life, some have faith in abundance some struggle daily, but the bottom line is we that are born again of Gods Spirit have FAITH
Temptations and trials are a sign of our suffering with Christ, for Christ. I am slowly coming to this understanding also, that the unworthiness we feel is a reminder that we are saved by the Grace Of God.

2 Corinthians 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


What an amazing work that has been done in us, and the simplicity of the assurance that Our Lord can say to us

My grace is sufficient for thee

God Bless Brother, feel assured

peopleoftheway 03-10-2009 04:31 AM

Buzzoff

I apologise for commenting on your prayer request not in regards to the request itself but I felt moved to post for my brother Luke.
I myself am not married so my advice is limited, but what I can say is that addictions (Strongholds) are certainly a tough thing to overcome in the flesh, which is why the Lord offers us the armour of God, some Christians have the full kit, and have faith and strength in abundance, but some of us, those of us that may struggle with things from time to time have that chink in our armour, that can only be repaired by prayer.
The apostle Paul said in
2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
Dont try and give up the porn on your own or try to sort it out and clean you life up before you can commit to Christ, just pray for the strength to overcome through Christ
Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Back to the Christians defence againt these fleshy lusts and influences, while it is most certainly a good idea to talk to Brethren about your problems I would urge you to be wary of looking to men rather than God for all of your advice, when we are called to battle (Spiritually) we have the helmet of salvation (which I believe to be sound proof to foolish and vain janglings) that we may not listen to doctrines of devils and heretics or that the may simply "bounce off" our minds that the Lord has strenghtened by his Grace.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Prayerfully go to the Word of God, ask the Lord to search out your heart for the things that hold you back that even you dont realise and take time to immerse yourself in the written Word.
Lastly my friend have patience for your wife, many Godly Brethren will testify that the hardest thing for them as Christian is to have an unsaved spouse or family member. Jesus told his disciples that they would suffer many things for his sake, including persecution of family and friends, but to have that patience to accept these things.

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

I cant give much more advice My Friend but I can pray for you and your wife.

God Bless

Hayseed 03-11-2009 11:43 PM

How about showing her how serious you are?You say she dosen't take you seriously,so be serious.

If you know of a good Bible Believing Church,then get in there.Invite her to come,there will be family evenings,lunches etc,all non threatening.Take your children along,get them into Sunday School (if you have young children that is.) Your wife may attend when there is a programme for them or camp on.

Read your Bible at home too,say grace at the table,do the jobs and maintenance work around home that makes her feel special.

Let her see the changes Christ is making for you and in you by praying openly for your family and thanking God for her.

This may force her to be quiet or take off...worth the risk.

I hope this helps.

Hayseed.

buzzoff1031 05-12-2009 06:41 PM

I've felt lead lately to come tell you guys how things are going. I have to confess that the report is not good. I did this on this thread so that anyone who wishes can in back over the thread and remember my story, so to speak. Anyway, my wife had told me once that she'd rather me go to a Catholic church, if I must go at all. So I actually fell into that trap. Of course she'd want me to go there, they are deceived, and Satan wants me as far away from the truth as he can get me, and, at the moment, my wife is under his control. Well, as I said, I fell for the lie. I am inches away from being confirmed as a Catholic. I have yet again compromised the truth. Meanwhile, I still have the addiction I mentioned before. Also, my wife is just as adamantly against any religion as before. I know the truth, and I just can't follow it. My unsaved wife is suffering the consequences of my unfaithfulness. Of course, I don't think an abrupt change, like all of a sudden going to a fundamental baptist church, would take too well. She would probably leave, unless I could at the same show her love beyond what I an capable of. I need help again dear brothers and sisters!


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