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Pray for destruction of false teaching

I went to my school's FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes) meeting. The teacher who is the club's sponsor was teaching different things to the people. Most teachings were correct and indeed good teachings. Then he promoted the idea of Christians going to the military. I know that it's wrong for Christians to go to the military voluntarily and kill people.

Please pray for the FCA teacher, so that God would uncover him the Truth. Friday, I plan to speak to him on the subject of military. Please also pray, so that God would uncover to him that it's wrong to kill people, and that it's wrong to advise the people to go to the military.

I pray for your false teaching that one can attain sinless perfection in this life.
I will also pray against teaching that going to war is ok

Thanks.

Also, please pray for my church.

There are some people in the church that believe in using one CUP in a communion. There are other people that want to use multiple CUPS in a church durring a communion.

I am one of the people that believes in using one CUP, just like Jesus did with his desciple.

On the last communion the people who believed in using one cup, all used one cup. The people who believed in using multiple cups, all used multiple cups. In other words, everything was peaceful. We comprimised, so that everyone would do the way they understand.

Then, today the people who are for using multiple cups, rose up and are making everyone argue. The people who are for multiple cups, are trying to force everyone use multiple cups.

Please pray for our church, so that the people who use multiple cups, would calm down and stop arguing. Also, pray so that the people who believe in using one cup would be able to continue using one cup. Thank You.

For if everyone would be forsed to use multiple cups, then the church would most likely break into two churches. So please pray

Brother, I try to say this in love and compassion.

Why do you strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel?

Using one cup or multiple is hardly a false teaching. I don't want to use any cup. I don't want to share my germs with others (I have a mouth infection at the moment brought about from a steroid nasal spray for my bad sinuses so it's pretty gross). We use little glasses at church.

The ordinance is the bread and grape juice (yup, juice - fruit of the vine), not bread and cup.

You are concerned over this... I can only imagine that your concern is because you believe using multiple cups is sinning and you will lose your salvation?

WWJD & People,

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it's wrong to kill people, and that it's wrong to advise the people to go to the military.

It is not always wrong to kill people, nor is it wrong to join the military. You need to read the Bible. This will clear up all of this false teaching that you believe.

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I will also pray against teaching that going to war is ok.

There is a time for war in the Bible.

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Ecc. 3:8

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

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Pray for destruction of false teaching

I will pray that your anti Biblical views of war and killing people will come to destruction, and that you will not be able to advocate this false teaching to others.

Atlas

Hey atlas

Yes going to war is ok biblicaly, but not to profit from oil. Thats what I pray against, sending men to die not for their country, but for someones wallet.

People,

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Yes going to war is ok biblicaly, but not to profit from oil.

If the war was about oil, why did we go to war with Afghanistan? Afghanistan dose not have any oil. Then why go to war with Iraq, they have very little oil compared to Saudi Arabia. We also are not getting one dime from the oil in Iraq. That might also be something you may should know.

Saudi Arabia would have been the place to go to war. If the war was about oil that is. They have more oil than any other nation on earth. So you are wrong on the issue of why we went to war in the first place. You pay to much attention to the commies running the press.

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Thats what I pray against

Well no need to waste you time praying about the going to war for oil issue. This is not the issue. If it were the issue you'd be praying about the war in Saudi Arabia. Try praying for something else, it will be a much better use of your time.

Atlas

Easy up there Atlas, I am one of the ones that are on the outside looking in, I live in Belfast and there has been much unrest through the years, killing, bombing civil unrest and it has been a source of division through what some would class as war, or the "troubles" I am against this "political warfare". I will admit I am ignorant about Iraq and the USA so you are probably right, I shouldn't have answered.
My Grandfather served in WW2 and my Great Grandfather in WW1 so I do have my share of war horror stories from Him. Good counsel, I shall turn my prayers to the safety of the troops.

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Originally Posted by Luke (Post 8787)

What I believe, is that it's not about germ sharing, it about having the exact type of communion, in the exact type of circumstances that Jesus had. For this reason, I believe is using wine in communion and using one cup, just like Jesus did.

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Originally Posted by atlas (Post 8794)

WWJD & People,

It is not always wrong to kill people, nor is it wrong to join the military. You need to read the Bible. This will clear up all of this false teaching that you believe.

There is a time for war in the Bible.

I will pray that your anti Biblical views of war and killing people will come to destruction, and that you will not be able to advocate this false teaching to others.

Atlas

First pray, and then read these verses. Please base your opinion on the war not on how the your believes are, but how the Bible teaches.

Matthew 5:44 – Jesus commanded to Love our enemies. How can we should love to our enemies (people of Iraq) if we go and kill them.

Matthew 26:51-52 – When Peter tried to use physical violence (Sword) Jesus stopped Peter

Genesis 9:5-6 – God himself clearly forbids killing of people

Matthew 24 - In this chapter, Jesus talks about the last days. Jesus mentions many bad characteristics/sins of the last days, and then he says that in the last days there would be many wars. Jesus implies that wars are bad

3 John 1:11 – He that does good is of God. He that does bad, is not of God

Luke 7:12-13 It is not good when weep. Also, it is not good, when someone dies, (especially, when someone dies at a young age, because of death at a war)

John 10:10 – The Devil comes to kill, steal and destroy. God is against destructions, killing, stealing (oil) and wars. In the NT God never told the people to use violence. Instead, as I previously said, God forbids violence

Matthew 10:39 - The only good reason of dying, is dying for Christ (and not die for secular activities [war]).

Luke 9:54-56 The disciples of Jesus offer to Jesus to destroy the city. Jesus forbade the destruction and violence.

If every single Christian goes to war, and every single one of the Christians is killed, then atheists and would be rulling US

I agree with you that God in the OLD testament allowed his followers to kill. However, in the NEW testament, God forbids killing

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

You cannot find a verse in scripture that says the liquid in that cup that was shared was alcoholic wine.

Isa 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

The only wine that is blessed is the new wine, the fruit of the vine, grape juice.

It is not wrong for Christians to go into the military. the Bible says if at all possible with you live peacable with al men. if someone is going to harm, hurt, or kill you, you have the right to defend yourself.

Luke,

Thanks for the bringing up the drinking issue, I just do not think it fits here my friend. This is about war friend. I do agree with you on the drinking is however, let's talk about war on this post.

Atlas

WWJD,

War is the issue, here is what the bible says on the issue. Here are all 220 verses on war.

Jesus even goes to war and will lead all of us to war against the world and well will kill hundreds of millions in the battle of Armageddon. So we know that not only is Jesus for war at times. He will start, lead and end the last war of all time. The blood will be to the horses bridle. That is how many Jesus will lead all of us to kill. Like it or not if you are saved you will be in the Lord's army killing millions of people here on earth.

Atlas

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Genesis 14:2 *That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.

Exodus 1:10 *Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.

Exodus 13:17 *¶And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:

Exodus 15:3 *The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Exodus 17:16 *For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.

Exodus 32:17 *And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp.

Numbers 1:3 *From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.

Numbers 1:20 *And the children of Reuben, Israel's eldest son, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:22 *Of the children of Simeon, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, those that were numbered of them, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:24 *Of the children of Gad, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:26 *Of the children of Judah, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:28 *Of the children of Issachar, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:30 *Of the children of Zebulun, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:32 *Of the children of Joseph, namely, of the children of Ephraim, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:34 *Of the children of Manasseh, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:36 *Of the children of Benjamin, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:38 *Of the children of Dan, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:40 *Of the children of Asher, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:42 *Of the children of Naphtali, throughout their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

Numbers 1:45 *So were all those that were numbered of the children of Israel, by the house of their fathers, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war in Israel;

Numbers 10:9 *And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.

Numbers 26:2 *Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, from twenty years old and upward, throughout their fathers' house, all that are able to go to war in Israel.

Numbers 31:3 *And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.

Numbers 31:4 *Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.

Numbers 31:5 *So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

Numbers 31:6 *And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.

Numbers 31:21 *And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;

Numbers 31:21 *And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;

Numbers 31:27 *And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

Numbers 31:28 *And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

Numbers 31:32 *And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

Numbers 31:36 *And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

Numbers 31:49 *And they said unto Moses, Thy servants have taken the sum of the men of war which are under our charge, and there lacketh not one man of us.

Numbers 31:53 *(For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.)

Numbers 32:6 *And Moses said unto the children of Gad and to the children of Reuben, Shall your brethren go to war, and shall ye sit here?

Numbers 32:20 *And Moses said unto them, If ye will do this thing, if ye will go armed before the LORD to war,

Numbers 32:27 *But thy servants will pass over, every man armed for war, before the LORD to battle, as my lord saith.

Deuteronomy 1:41 *Then ye answered and said unto me, We have sinned against the LORD, we will go up and fight, according to all that the LORD our God commanded us. And when ye had girded on every man his weapons of war, ye were ready to go up into the hill.
Deuteronomy 2:14 *And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them.

Deuteronomy 2:16 *So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people,

Deuteronomy 3:18 *And I commanded you at that time, saying, The LORD your God hath given you this land to possess it: ye shall pass over armed before your brethren the children of Israel, all that are meet for the war.

Deuteronomy 4:34 *Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?

Deuteronomy 20:12 *And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

Deuteronomy 20:19 *When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:

Deuteronomy 20:20 *Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

Deuteronomy 21:10 *¶When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,

Deuteronomy 24:5 *¶When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.

Joshua 4:13 *About forty thousand prepared for war passed over before the LORD unto battle, to the plains of Jericho.

Joshua 5:4 *And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt.

Joshua 5:6 *For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not shew them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

Joshua 6:3 *And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.

Joshua 8:1 *¶And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land:

Joshua 8:3 *¶So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valour, and sent them away by night.

Joshua 8:11 *And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai.

Joshua 10:5 *Therefore the five kings of the Amorites, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, the king of Eglon, gathered themselves together, and went up, they and all their hosts, and encamped before Gibeon, and made war against it.

Joshua 10:7 *¶So Joshua ascended from Gilgal, he, and all the people of war with him, and all the mighty men of valour.

Joshua 10:24 *And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.

Joshua 11:7 *So Joshua came, and all the people of war with him, against them by the waters of Merom suddenly; and they fell upon them.

Joshua 11:18 *Joshua made war a long time with all those kings.

Joshua 11:23 *So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said unto Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war.

Joshua 14:11 *As yet I am as strong this day as I was in the day that Moses sent me: as my strength was then, even so is my strength now, for war, both to go out, and to come in.

Joshua 14:15 *And the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims. And the land had rest from war.

Joshua 17:1 *¶There was also a lot for the tribe of Manasseh; for he was the firstborn of Joseph; to wit, for Machir the firstborn of Manasseh, the father of Gilead: because he was a man of war, therefore he had Gilead and Bashan.

Joshua 22:12 *And when the children of Israel heard of it, the whole congregation of the children of Israel gathered themselves together at Shiloh, to go up to war against them.

Judges 3:2 *Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof;

Judges 3:10 *And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.

Judges 5:8 *They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?

Judges 11:4 *¶And it came to pass in process of time, that the children of Ammon made war against Israel.

Judges 11:5 *And it was so, that when the children of Ammon made war against Israel, the elders of Gilead went to fetch Jephthah out of the land of Tob:

Judges 11:27 *Wherefore I have not sinned against thee, but thou doest me wrong to war against me: the LORD the Judge be judge this day between the children of Israel and the children of Ammon.

Judges 18:11 *And there went from thence of the family of the Danites, out of Zorah and out of Eshtaol, six hundred men appointed with weapons of war.

Judges 18:16 *And the six hundred men appointed with their weapons of war, which were of the children of Dan, stood by the entering of the gate.

Judges 18:17 *And the five men that went to spy out the land went up, and came in thither, and took the graven image, and the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image: and the priest stood in the entering of the gate with the six hundred men that were appointed with weapons of war.

Judges 20:17 *And the men of Israel, beside Benjamin, were numbered four hundred thousand men that drew sword: all these were men of war.

Judges 21:22 *And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.

1 Samuel 8:12 *And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

1 Samuel 14:52 *And there was sore war against the Philistines all the days of Saul: and when Saul saw any strong man, or any valiant man, he took him unto him.

1 Samuel 16:18 *Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him.

1 Samuel 17:33 *And Saul said to David, Thou art not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him: for thou art but a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.

1 Samuel 18:5 *And David went out whithersoever Saul sent him, and behaved himself wisely: and Saul set him over the men of war, and he was accepted in the sight of all the people, and also in the sight of Saul's servants.

1 Samuel 19:8 *¶And there was war again: and David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter; and they fled from him.

1 Samuel 23:8 *And Saul called all the people together to war, to go down to Keilah, to besiege David and his men.

1 Samuel 28:15 *¶And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

2 Samuel 1:27 *How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished!

2 Samuel 3:1 *¶Now there was long war between the house of Saul and the house of David: but David waxed stronger and stronger, and the house of Saul waxed weaker and weaker.

2 Samuel 3:6 *And it came to pass, while there was war between the house of Saul and the house of David, that Abner made himself strong for the house of Saul.

2 Samuel 11:7 *And when Uriah was come unto him, David demanded of him how Joab did, and how the people did, and how the war prospered.

2 Samuel 11:18 *Then Joab sent and told David all the things concerning the war;

2 Samuel 11:19 *And charged the messenger, saying, When thou hast made an end of telling the matters of the war unto the king,

2 Samuel 17:8 *For, said Hushai, thou knowest thy father and his men, that they be mighty men, and they be chafed in their minds, as a bear robbed of her whelps in the field: and thy father is a man of war, and will not lodge with the people.

2 Samuel 21:15 *¶Moreover the Philistines had yet war again with Israel; and David went down, and his servants with him, and fought against the Philistines: and David waxed faint.

2 Samuel 22:35 *He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

1 Kings 2:5 *Moreover thou knowest also what Joab the son of Zeruiah did to me, and what he did to the two captains of the hosts of Israel, unto Abner the son of Ner, and unto Amasa the son of Jether, whom he slew, and shed the blood of war in peace, and put the blood of war upon his girdle that was about his loins, and in his shoes that were on his feet.

1 Kings 9:22 *But of the children of Israel did Solomon make no bondmen: but they were men of war, and his servants, and his princes, and his captains, and rulers of his chariots, and his horsemen.

1 Kings 14:30 *And there was war between Rehoboam and Jeroboam all their days.

1 Kings 15:6 *And there was war between Rehoboam and Jeroboam all the days of his life.

1 Kings 15:7 *Now the rest of the acts of Abijam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? And there was war between Abijam and Jeroboam.

1 Kings 15:16 *And there was war between Asa and Baasha king of Israel all their days.

1 Kings 15:32 *And there was war between Asa and Baasha king of Israel all their days.

1 Kings 20:18 *And he said, Whether they be come out for peace, take them alive; or whether they be come out for war, take them alive.

1 Kings 22:1 *¶And they continued three years without war between Syria and Israel.

2 Kings 8:28 *And he went with Joram the son of Ahab to the war against Hazael king of Syria in Ramothgilead; and the Syrians wounded Joram.

2 Kings 13:25 *And Jehoash the son of Jehoahaz took again out of the hand of Benhadad the son of Hazael the cities, which he had taken out of the hand of Jehoahaz his father by war. Three times did Joash beat him, and recovered the cities of Israel.

2 Kings 14:7 *He slew of Edom in the valley of salt ten thousand, and took Selah by war, and called the name of it Joktheel unto this day.

2 Kings 16:5 *¶Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.

2 Kings 18:20 *Thou sayest, (but they are but vain words,) I have counsel and strength for the war. Now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

2 Kings 24:16 *And all the men of might, even seven thousand, and craftsmen and smiths a thousand, all that were strong and apt for war, even them the king of Babylon brought captive to Babylon.

2 Kings 25:4 *And the city was broken up, and all the men of war fled by night by the way of the gate between two walls, which is by the king's garden: (now the Chaldees were against the city round about:) and the king went the way toward the plain.

2 Kings 25:19 *And out of the city he took an officer that was set over the men of war, and five men of them that were in the king's presence, which were found in the city, and the principal scribe of the host, which mustered the people of the land, and threescore men of the people of the land that were found in the city:

1 Chronicles 5:10 *And in the days of Saul they made war with the Hagarites, who fell by their hand: and they dwelt in their tents throughout all the east land of Gilead.

1 Chronicles 5:18 *¶The sons of Reuben, and the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh, of valiant men, men able to bear buckler and sword, and to shoot with bow, and skilful in war, were four and forty thousand seven hundred and threescore, that went out to the war.

1 Chronicles 5:19 *And they made war with the Hagarites, with Jetur, and Nephish, and Nodab.
1 Chronicles 5:22 *For there fell down many slain, because the war was of God. And they dwelt in their steads until the captivity.

1 Chronicles 7:4 *And with them, by their generations, after the house of their fathers, were bands of soldiers for war, six and thirty thousand men: for they had many wives and sons.

1 Chronicles 7:11 *All these the sons of Jediael, by the heads of their fathers, mighty men of valour, were seventeen thousand and two hundred soldiers, fit to go out for war and battle.

1 Chronicles 7:40 *All these were the children of Asher, heads of their father's house, choice and mighty men of valour, chief of the princes. And the number throughout the genealogy of them that were apt to the war and to battle was twenty and six thousand men.

1 Chronicles 12:1 *¶Now these are they that came to David to Ziklag, while he yet kept himself close because of Saul the son of Kish: and they were among the mighty men, helpers of the war.

1 Chronicles 12:8 *And of the Gadites there separated themselves unto David into the hold to the wilderness men of might, and men of war fit for the battle, that could handle shield and buckler, whose faces were like the faces of lions, and were as swift as the roes upon the mountains;

1 Chronicles 12:23 *¶And these are the numbers of the bands that were ready armed to the war, and came to David to Hebron, to turn the kingdom of Saul to him, according to the word of the LORD.

1 Chronicles 12:24 *The children of Judah that bare shield and spear were six thousand and eight hundred, ready armed to the war.

1 Chronicles 12:25 *Of the children of Simeon, mighty men of valour for the war, seven thousand and one hundred.

1 Chronicles 12:33 *Of Zebulun, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, with all instruments of war, fifty thousand, which could keep rank: they were not of double heart.

1 Chronicles 12:35 *And of the Danites expert in war twenty and eight thousand and six hundred.

1 Chronicles 12:36 *And of Asher, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, forty thousand.

1 Chronicles 12:37 *And on the other side of Jordan, of the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and of the half tribe of Manasseh, with all manner of instruments of war for the battle, an hundred and twenty thousand.

1 Chronicles 12:38 *All these men of war, that could keep rank, came with a perfect heart to Hebron, to make David king over all Israel: and all the rest also of Israel were of one heart to make David king.

1 Chronicles 18:10 *He sent Hadoram his son to king David, to enquire of his welfare, and to congratulate him, because he had fought against Hadarezer, and smitten him; (for Hadarezer had war with Tou;) and with him all manner of vessels of gold and silver and brass.

1 Chronicles 20:4 *¶And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.

1 Chronicles 20:5 *And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.

1 Chronicles 20:6 *And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.

1 Chronicles 28:3 *But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

2 Chronicles 6:34 *If thy people go out to war against their enemies by the way that thou shalt send them, and they pray unto thee toward this city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name;

2 Chronicles 8:9 *But of the children of Israel did Solomon make no servants for his work; but they were men of war, and chief of his captains, and captains of his chariots and horsemen.

2 Chronicles 13:2 *He reigned three years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Michaiah the daughter of Uriel of Gibeah. And there was war between Abijah and Jeroboam.

2 Chronicles 13:3 *And Abijah set the battle in array with an army of valiant men of war, even four hundred thousand chosen men: Jeroboam also set the battle in array against him with eight hundred thousand chosen men, being mighty men of valour.

2 Chronicles 14:6 *And he built fenced cities in Judah: for the land had rest, and he had no war in those years; because the LORD had given him rest.

2 Chronicles 15:19 *And there was no more war unto the five and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa.

2 Chronicles 17:10 *¶And the fear of the LORD fell upon all the kingdoms of the lands that were round about Judah, so that they made no war against Jehoshaphat.

2 Chronicles 17:13 *And he had much business in the cities of Judah: and the men of war, mighty men of valour, were in Jerusalem.

2 Chronicles 17:18 *And next him was Jehozabad, and with him an hundred and fourscore thousand ready prepared for the war.

2 Chronicles 18:3 *And Ahab king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat king of Judah, Wilt thou go with me to Ramothgilead? And he answered him, I am as thou art, and my people as thy people; and we will be with thee in the war.

2 Chronicles 22:5 *He walked also after their counsel, and went with Jehoram the son of Ahab king of Israel to war against Hazael king of Syria at Ramothgilead: and the Syrians smote Joram.

2 Chronicles 25:5 *Moreover Amaziah gathered Judah together, and made them captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, according to the houses of their fathers, throughout all Judah and Benjamin: and he numbered them from twenty years old and above, and found them three hundred thousand choice men, able to go forth to war, that could handle spear and shield.

2 Chronicles 26:11 *Moreover Uzziah had an host of fighting men, that went out to war by bands, according to the number of their account by the hand of Jeiel the scribe and Maaseiah the ruler, under the hand of Hananiah, one of the king's captains.

2 Chronicles 26:13 *And under their hand was an army, three hundred thousand and seven thousand and five hundred, that made war with mighty power, to help the king against the enemy.

2 Chronicles 28:12 *Then certain of the heads of the children of Ephraim, Azariah the son of Johanan, Berechiah the son of Meshillemoth, and Jehizkiah the son of Shallum, and Amasa the son of Hadlai, stood up against them that came from the war,

2 Chronicles 32:6 *And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying,

2 Chronicles 33:14 *Now after this he built a wall without the city of David, on the west side of Gihon, in the valley, even to the entering in at the fish gate, and compassed about Ophel, and raised it up a very great height, and put captains of war in all the fenced cities of Judah.

2 Chronicles 35:21 *But he sent ambassadors to him, saying, What have I to do with thee, thou king of Judah? I come not against thee this day, but against the house wherewith I have war: for God commanded me to make haste: forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that he destroy thee not.

Job 5:20 *In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword.

Job 10:17 *Thou renewest thy witnesses against me, and increasest thine indignation upon me; changes and war are against me.

Job 38:23 *Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

Psalms 18:34 *He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.

Psalms 27:3 *Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.

Psalms 55:21 *The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.

Psalms 68:30 *Rebuke the company of spearmen, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, till every one submit himself with pieces of silver: scatter thou the people that delight in war.

Psalms 120:7 *I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

Psalms 140:2 *Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war.

Psalms 144:1 *¶<<A Psalm of David.>> Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Proverbs 20:18 *¶Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.

Proverbs 24:6 *For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.

Ecclesiastes 3:8 *A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Ecclesiastes 8:8 *There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Ecclesiastes 9:18 *Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

Song of Songs 3:8 *They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.

Isaiah 2:4 *And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 3:2 *The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,

Isaiah 3:25 *Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war.

Isaiah 7:1 *¶And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

Isaiah 21:15 *For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war.

Isaiah 36:5 *I say, sayest thou, (but they are but vain words) I have counsel and strength for war: now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

Isaiah 37:9 *And he heard say concerning Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, He is come forth to make war with thee. And when he heard it, he sent messengers to Hezekiah, saying,

Isaiah 41:12 *Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

Isaiah 42:13 *¶The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Jeremiah 4:19 *¶My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 6:4 *Prepare ye war against her; arise, and let us go up at noon. Woe unto us! for the day goeth away, for the shadows of the evening are stretched out.

Jeremiah 6:23 *They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion.

Jeremiah 21:2 *Enquire, I pray thee, of the LORD for us; for Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon maketh war against us; if so be that the LORD will deal with us according to all his wondrous works, that he may go up from us.

Jeremiah 21:4 *Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Behold, I will turn back the weapons of war that are in your hands, wherewith ye fight against the king of Babylon, and against the Chaldeans, which besiege you without the walls, and I will assemble them into the midst of this city.

Jeremiah 28:8 *The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

Jeremiah 38:4 *Therefore the princes said unto the king, We beseech thee, let this man be put to death: for thus he weakeneth the hands of the men of war that remain in this city, and the hands of all the people, in speaking such words unto them: for this man seeketh not the welfare of this people, but the hurt.

Jeremiah 39:4 *And it came to pass, that when Zedekiah the king of Judah saw them, and all the men of war, then they fled, and went forth out of the city by night, by the way of the king's garden, by the gate betwixt the two walls: and he went out the way of the plain.

Jeremiah 41:3 *Ishmael also slew all the Jews that were with him, even with Gedaliah, at Mizpah, and the Chaldeans that were found there, and the men of war.

Jeremiah 41:16 *Then took Johanan the son of Kareah, and all the captains of the forces that were with him, all the remnant of the people whom he had recovered from Ishmael the son of Nethaniah, from Mizpah, after that he had slain Gedaliah the son of Ahikam, even mighty men of war, and the women, and the children, and the eunuchs, whom he had brought again from Gibeon:

Jeremiah 42:14 *Saying, No; but we will go into the land of Egypt, where we shall see no war, nor hear the sound of the trumpet, nor have hunger of bread; and there will we dwell:

Jeremiah 48:14 *¶How say ye, We are mighty and strong men for the war?

Jeremiah 49:2 *Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will cause an alarm of war to be heard in Rabbah of the Ammonites; and it shall be a desolate heap, and her daughters shall be burned with fire: then shall Israel be heir unto them that were his heirs, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 49:26 *Therefore her young men shall fall in her streets, and all the men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD of hosts.
Jeremiah 50:30 *Therefore shall her young men fall in the streets, and all her men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 51:20 *Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;

Jeremiah 51:32 *And that the passages are stopped, and the reeds they have burned with fire, and the men of war are affrighted.

Jeremiah 52:7 *Then the city was broken up, and all the men of war fled, and went forth out of the city by night by the way of the gate between the two walls, which was by the king's garden; (now the Chaldeans were by the city round about:) and they went by the way of the plain.

Jeremiah 52:25 *He took also out of the city an eunuch, which had the charge of the men of war; and seven men of them that were near the king's person, which were found in the city; and the principal scribe of the host, who mustered the people of the land; and threescore men of the people of the land, that were found in the midst of the city.

Ezekiel 17:17 *Neither shall Pharaoh with his mighty army and great company make for him in the war, by casting up mounts, and building forts, to cut off many persons:

Ezekiel 26:9 *And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers.

Ezekiel 27:10 *They of Persia and of Lud and of Phut were in thine army, thy men of war: they hanged the shield and helmet in thee; they set forth thy comeliness.

Ezekiel 27:27 *Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin.

Ezekiel 27:10 *They of Persia and of Lud and of Phut were in thine army, thy men of war: they hanged the shield and helmet in thee; they set forth thy comeliness.

Ezekiel 27:27 *Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin.

Ezekiel 32:27 *And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.

Ezekiel 39:20 *Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

Daniel 7:21 *I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Daniel 9:26 *And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Joel 2:7 *They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

Joel 3:9 *¶Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

Micah 2:8 *Even of late my people is risen up as an enemy: ye pull off the robe with the garment from them that pass by securely as men averse from war.
Micah 3:5 *Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.

Micah 4:3 *And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Luke 14:31 *Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

Luke 23:11 *And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.

2 Corinthians 10:3 *For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

1 Timothy 1:18 *¶This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

James 4:1 *¶From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

James 4:2 *Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

1 Peter 2:11 *Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Revelation 11:7 *And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 12:7 *And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:17 *And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:4 *And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:7 *And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 17:14 *¶These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:11 *¶And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:19 *And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Regarding Communion

Something I experienced, and sorry if it is wrong, but I once went to a new outreach and it was on a tight budget, let alone no money to speak of :D
So, it was, though, a totally appropriate situation to have communion, and I have no idea who thought of it, but it was so great, in my opinion.
But someone prepared a very large glass cup, more like a huge thing, and put the grape juice there in; the cup had a large stem on the bottom for holding.
Homemade unleavened individual oval shapped bread pieces were made, and each person took their piece of bread and dipped it into the cup as it was being passed around by one person who was holding the large glass cup.
Because it was done in such a good manner, it was a great experience.
I marveled at the simplicity of it all and it was good in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by chette777 (Post 8832)

Matthew 26:53 "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?"

If God wanted something/someone destroyed, he would do it himself.

Matthew 5:44
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

What about the idea of living peacefully with the nation of Iraq and Afganastan, which are also people. I have worked and paid taxes. As the result, I feal ashamed that I paid money to the government to go and kill innocent people.

The terrorists probably hate us and attacked us on 9/11

Notice that Jesus did not say "kill those that hate you and persecute you". Instead Jesus said, "do good to them that hate you and pray for them which persecute you."

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Originally Posted by Luke (Post 8827)

Well, you know that wine and grape juice are both considered a "fruit of a wine"

In those days, in order to preserve grape juice, people placed the grape Juice in something like animal skin. Over time, the grape juice became wine. As a matter of fact, there is biblical support that Jesus drank wine often on regular basis.

Passoever, is around the begining of April. Jesus had communion with his disciple before the passover. I do not think that back in those days, that it was possible to have grapes fully grown at the beginning of April. So therefore, jesus most likely used wine (a preserved grapejuice). This is why many churches use wine instead of grapejuice. NO, we do not become drunk, in the communion, we use drink about one tablespoon of wine per person.

WWJD,

I told you what Jesus would do. I'll tell you again.

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Jesus even goes to war and will lead all of us to war against the world and well will kill hundreds of millions in the battle of Armageddon. So we know that not only is Jesus for war at times. He will start, lead and end the last war of all time. The blood will be to the horses bridle. That is how many Jesus will lead all of us to kill. Like it or not if you are saved you will be in the Lord's army killing millions of people here on earth.

Now read this.

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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Now who is a man of war? Who is LORD?

Is Jesus not the today yesterday and forever?

So you now know that Jesus is a man of war and will lead saints to kill hundreds of millions in the battle of Armageddon. What else do you need to know? You about killing, this will be the largest war and most people ever killed in battle the history of the world. It will make D-Day look like a joke. It will make Gettysburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a walk in the park. Just think Jesus killing hundreds of millions in the battle. I know this dose not " fit in " with the " Hollywood and feel good, happy go lucky Jesus, " but it's in the Bible. Go read it and tell me it is not true. read about how high the blood is. Go read it and see what happens to all of the people. Read it and see that there is no way to bury them all, just go and read it. It is right there in your Bible. Do take my word for it. READ IT FOUR YOURSELF.

Go read the O.T. where he it is talking about the battle of Armageddon, also read the N.T. about the battle of Armageddon. Then think over the hundreds of millions that Jesus will lead you and I to kill is battle. Then tell me that Jesus is not a man of war, and he will be the biggest and best killing machine of time. Jesus be a perfect killer and perfect warrior. Jesus will kill more than Hitler, Stalin and Mao Se Tung all put together. The world never has nor ever will see killing on the scale that Jesus will execute on that day. Jesus will be the biggest and best killer of all time. Talking about mass murder, " this world ain't seen nothing yet. " When he comes back to face Gog, Magog, the Anti Christ and all of the nations of the world but Israel. You'll get to see first hand what a real killing machine is.

:D

Atlas

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Originally Posted by atlas (Post 8837)

WWJD,

War is the issue, here is what the bible says on the issue. Here are all 220 verses on war.
Atlas

Yes, out of the 220, only fifteen of the verses are in the New Testament The other 205, are in the Old Testament. If you want to follow the Old Testament, you would need to stop eating many foods, including pork, shirm, and calcium vitamins.

Out of the fifteen New Testament verses, eight of the verses are in Revelation, which was a prophesy of the Future.
Revelations has two types of wars, one is spiritual type and one is physical type. I agree that we should always fight in a spiritual war against Saten. I disagree that we need to fight Physical war. The physical wars in Revelation, are just like facts of present/future. God does not say in revelations that all of those wars are are 100% of God's will.

Luke 14:31 is a parable, not a teaching/commandment
Luke 23:11 Men of War make fun of Jesus
2 Corinthians 10:3 Spiritual war
1 Timothy 1:18 verbal war
James 4:1-2 war against the flesh
1 Peter 2:11 Spiritual war
Revelation has both Spiritual wars, and facts about what wars are in the future. Revelation does not say that the war are of God's will. It's just a history of the future

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Originally Posted by wwjd.usa (Post 8880)

Actually, this is false. There is a thread on here somewhere that will clear up this false info for you. I think it's in the doctrines section.

As for war. God does not anywhere in the Bible condemn war or self defense. In fact, He does not condemn killing. He condemns murder. There is a big difference. For instance: Say I'm walking down the street with my fiancé and jumps us, puts a gun in our face and tells me to stand back and watch him rape her. Do you honestly think that Jesus condemns responding violently and or/killing him to save her? Absolutely not!! Jesus never condemns self defense, or the defense of others.

As for the terrorists, they sealed their own doom when they attacked and declared war on us. This falls under the self defense category.

WWJD,

So what do you think about the fact that Jesus will kill hundreds of millions of people?

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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

This is the same in the O.T. and N.T.

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Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I also ask you to tell me who the LORD was, you will not do so why not?

War has nothing to do with O.T. Law, it never has and never will.

Here is the bottom line, you do not line up with what the Bible says about war and killing, therefore you dismiss what it says and believe what you wish to believe. You are your own final authority, if the Bible lines up with what you believe then fine, if not you'll find one or two verses that can be taken out of context and twist them to make them agree with what you believe. Not one of those verses you use has anything to do with war. The word war can not be found in the context of any of verse or in 10 verses either way of any of those verses you use. You need to do some Bible study and learn what conext means. Anyone can make the Bible say just about anything when you take a few verses out of context to fit with what they believe.

Atlas

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Yes, and yet Jesus condemned Peter for trying to rescue Jesus. Yet, Jesus commands up to love each other and to love our enemies. Yet, we should always be ready to die, for his cause. As for your example, it is better to die, than to sin. Yet Jesus consider a war, a bad thing.

(Matthew 24 Jesus says that in the last days there would be many wars, and people would greatly sin. Jesus implies that wars are when people fall away from God.

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Originally Posted by Josh (Post 8883)

As for the terrorists, they sealed their own doom when they attacked and declared war on us. This falls under the self defense category.

umm, what about love our enemies, do good to them that hate you, pray for them which persecute you? Ohh, so we should not follow the Bible. Oh ok. I understand your point of view

WWJD,

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Yes, and yet Jesus condemned Peter for trying to rescue Jesus.

What dose this have to do with war? This was about Jesus being taken to die for our sins. He had to die for our sins this is why he told Peter what he told him. This has nothing to do with war. You are taking the Bible out of context again. Can you show me war anywhere in this passage or even close to this passage?

Dose Jesus say anything war is sin in Matt 24? He is telling all what will be going on in the last days.

Also let me ask you again.

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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

This is the same in the O.T. and N.T.

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Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I also ask you to tell me who the LORD was, you will not do so why not?

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Yet Jesus consider a war, a bad thing.

You can not fine one verse in the Bible that tells us that God or Jesus is opposed to war, unless you pull it out of the context that it was written.

Now what dose the Bible say about war, I do not care what you think. What dose the bible say about the issue of war? This is what matters. Show me where Jesus says war is a bad thing. Chapter and verse please.

Atlas

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Originally Posted by atlas (Post 8885)

WWJD,

WWJD,

So what do you think about the fact that Jesus will kill hundreds of millions of people?

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Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
This is the same in the O.T. and N.T.

Yes, That was Old Testament, right now is new testament. Let me guess, you don't eat pork because you live by the old testament. Am I correct or not?

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Originally Posted by atlas (Post 8885)

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Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I also ask you to tell me who the LORD was, you will not do so why not?

Like I said, God is the same, but the covenant is different. I ate pork. If I would eat pork in the Old Testament times, then I would be considered unclean. Since I ate pork and I live by the New Testament, i am not considered unclean.

In the OT, God set certain rules. In the NT, God kept some of the rules, while other rules he did not keep. God does not support a physical war in the NT. God does support a Spiritual war in the NT. (Spiritual war is the war against Saten and against Sin.)

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Originally Posted by atlas (Post 8885)

War has nothing to do with O.T. Law, it never has and never will.

Find me a place in the NT where Jesus promoted violence.
Here are the verses, that Jesus did prohibit violence:

Matthew 5:44, Matthew 26:51-52,Luke 9:54-56

As a matter of fact, Jesus the it is Saten who supports wars (killing) John 10:10

By the way, when I say war, I am referring to a physical war, not a spiritual war. He that has ears, let him hear and understand.

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Originally Posted by atlas (Post 8885)

Here is the bottom line, you do not line up with what the Bible says about war and killing, therefore you dismiss what it says and believe what you wish to believe. You are your own final authority, if the Bible lines up with what you believe then fine, if not you'll find one or two verses that can be taken out of context and twist them to make them agree with what you believe. Not one of those verses you use has anything to do with war. The word war can not be found in the context of any of verse or in 10 verses either way of any of those verses you use. You need to do some Bible study and learn what conext means. Anyone can make the Bible say just about anything when you take a few verses out of context to fit with what they believe.

Please show me which verses I'm taking out of context.

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