What about church discipline?
 

what stand do you people take on church discipline? I personally am for it and believe it is biblical.

I'm for it. The church I go to does it. Some today thinks it's to harsh but it's bible. Paul many times says to put away that person or that person because either they were in sin or there were different doctrinal issues that were contrary to the doctrine which I have learned ( Romans 16:17 )

i got a testimony you'll love..

a friend of mine, a dear brother in the Lord fell into sin [fornication] he was not willing to admit any responsibility in the issue, always passed the blame to others, a close friend of his from his church confronted him and warned him and he didn't listen, so they went as a small group which included his pastor and several other friends from his church, he still didn't listen so the next sunday before the service got underway they called him out on the carpet and confronted him with his sin publically, he was emberassed and was then disfellowshipped from the church because he wouldn't repent and accept what he was doing was sin and he left. the service continued like normal after the congregation spent time on their faces praying for him, then a few months later, he had repented of his sin, and he was able to be reincorporated into the body.. today he is married to the girl and they have a baby together. but he had to be disfellowshipped to see the weight of his sin.. otherwise he would still be living in sin with her, and would have no testimony. but praise God, to my knowledge he is living a righteous life now

Any miscreants that wont repent are tied up and left on the front steps of the local hyper-pentacostal praise and worship hall with a note pinned to their shirt that says "I love CCM drum solo's"

I know its not a Biblical approach, but it gets results.

Fundy

What about the things a church might have to worry about adolescents doing? I refer to mild disrespect in church, hat wearing of men (which is against doctrine, but generally disregarded by the people), feet up on the pews, laughing/talking during prayer....the little, disrespectful things.

What about crying babies? Your thoughts?

The Bible doesn't teach it is wrong for men to wear hats (that is just custom). The Bible teaches it is wrong for men to have a covering on their head - and the context of the covering is long hair, not hats. Conversely, it says women are to have that covering.

So forget what I said about hats, but as for the other things I mentioned?

I believe that while in God's house and during worship there needs to be the least amount of distractions possible. One reason I believe this is because if we believe that God is working through the pastor, then in a sense God is speaking through that man to deliver a message to us. Therefore I believe that God deserves our utmost attention. Considering the matter of distractions, at our church we have a nursery in case babies start to cry, we can take them in there. We also don't allow talking during the service or offering. Some people think that when the offering comes around that gives them an opportunity to chit chat for a second. Absolutely not! That time is for you to prepare your heart for the message about to come.

I also believe that God's house needs to cared for and treated God's way. If you look at the book of Haggai God reapeatedly drives home the point that the condition of His house is not acceptable. I think He really cares how we take care of it how we act in while in it. All through scripture we see how God has certain specifications on how we worship him.

Hey jerry do you believe women should where head coverings?

No:

1 Corinthians 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

If you look at the context of 1 Corinthians 11 it's speaking about the levels of authority God ordained.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoreth his head. (out from under authority)
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. (also out from under authority)
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

I believe vs. 5 is talking about a woman out from under authority if you look at the context of the scripture. The reason he said for her to shorn or shaven was because that is what harlots did. Harlots had no authority since they were not married.

So you didn't answer my question, do you think women should wear head coverings? I personally don't think so. What are your thoughts?

I assume you are still speaking about me - I did answer your question. I said, "No." Then I showed the verse that indicated her hair was to be her covering - if her long hair is her covering, then she has no need or reason for an external covering.

You know the early Church met in homes not big fancy buidings.There are many things going on not Biblical.Conventions is one i.e SBC.Building funds ect.The Church I just quit hired a preacher that uses the deadly NKJV and fired the preacher who was a faithful KJB man of God.I told the gossiping women in Sunday School who runs the church affairs that I also find un-Biblical that if any other Bible than the KJB that hit the pulpit or my and my wifes ears we would hit the door running and it came to pass.

The Church just celebrated back in Nov its 160th year and now its almost dead with very very few people left.It almost was like attending a funeral ever Sunday because of the programs became more important than the message of the Cross.Most per-versions in 1st Cor 1:18 add being saved and the KJB says which are saved dont you think its a big difference in being saved and which are saved?These Bibles teach a works salvation plain and clear which is contrary to saved by grace through faith not of works Eph 2:8-9.

God bless.
Bro Miller.

You know the early Church met in homes not big fancy buidings.There are many things going on not Biblical.Conventions is one i.e SBC.Building funds ect.

i agree , another thing is the 501c3 , by the churches acceptance of this they have to abide by government rules. who's the head of the church ?
the government or Christ.
jim

One of the things mentioned was crying Babies. One of the parents, (mother or father) should have the consideration to take the child out of the service until the baby settles down. If they don't then it may be necessary to talk with both parents and explain to them that the child should be removed from services. If they won't do this maybe they should all stay home for a period of time, Not only is it a matter of consideration to others but it is showing respect to God.

Denny

Parents in my church used to let their children roam around the church. They like to watch their children get the church's attention even when the service or the preaching is going on. So when we have special occasions in church, all the children would drown out the service with noise.

Now, I am young, single pastor. When I told the church to teach children the right way to behave in church, some overreacted and all who have little children stayed outside to "take care" of them so as "not to disturb the preaching". In some of their minds, I have not yet earned the right to correct them since I don't have children; others even dared to criticize Paul's writings (1Cor.7) since they assume he never had a "wife". (What if he's a widower, and so what if he's single. Jesus was single.)

I gave a testimony that I remembered when I was 3 years old, or 5 years old, or even 12 years old, my parents made me sit quietly in church. Then I told the church that had not I been disciplined and admonished in the Lord, they would "never have a pastor" (referring to myself) that day.

By God's grace, I'm glad that church members obeyed - and they were HAPPY. They're "proud" that their children, as young as they are, are "well-disciplined".:-)

"There's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey."