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ziggy2sound4u 05-05-2008 05:03 PM

KJV Translators Drunks
Maybe someone out there can help me.
I had an allegation brought up to me that the KJV translators, themselves stated; "that they did their best work while drunk."
While believe this to be a fabrication and a horrorable lie, I none the less must come up with some kind of answer for this charge.

Brother Tim 05-05-2008 06:45 PM

My first advice is that you are wasting your time. If someone wants to believe this garbage, then no amount of reasoning will matter. For your own benefit, there are several books available that tell about the translators. Look on this site (av1611.com) and other KJB sites for titles.

jerry 05-05-2008 07:13 PM

Why do you need to come up with a defense against slander? You should get them to attempt to back up their slander FIRST before you need to find a response to it. The Devil will always revile and accuse God's people. You could spend a lifetime dealing with all his accusations.

PB1789 05-05-2008 07:43 PM

Yep! What those two guys said. You should get a booklet from the Trinitarian Bible Society titled "The Learned Men". These gents knew the old languages, and they knew good English. They took their jobs seriously! Another good book to read is the one by E.F. Hills, which is mentioned on the front page of this website.

They also understood that proper language use is essential so that we understand and worship "The Lord God Almighty"...rather than "my good buddy upstairs."

ziggy2sound4u 05-06-2008 03:10 PM

Thanks brothers for the help and the encouragement!
Its that these "guys" (can not rightly say if they are saved or not) on youtube bring up these allegations and it SEEMS that those who believe the KJV is the Word of God have to come up with some sort of defense.
This "guy" seemed to suggest this came from the KJV translators own diaries(of course, I told him that that was probably just some catholic lie).
WHEN the discussion gets too unreasonable or I determine that said "guy" is a faithless heretic, I no longer "talk" with them.
Once again, thanks brothers!
Brother Greg Zeigler

bibleprotector 05-06-2008 09:02 PM

The accusation, made by Adam Nicolson in "Power and Glory" (page 99), that Richard Thompson (just one translator) was a drunkard, is based on the historical account of one extreme Puritan called William Prynne. It is usual that those against the KJB will go out of their way to quote this single source.

Nicolson takes a giant leap, on page 192, he says, "The eccentric Bedwell, and drunk pornographer Thompson..."

This is called historical revisionism. It is in line with the sensational reporting that the smallest unreliable details of badness be blown up to make the godly men the worst that ever lived. Just look at how King James is made into a tyrant and child abuser!

freesundayschoollessons 05-11-2008 08:15 PM

Ahh...Hi Greg "Ziggy"
I am the one who stated this on YouTube.

Here are my sources:
"God's Secretaries"
this site: http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/sorenson-ch10-3.html
You will notice that the reference is relegated to footnote 30 and softened in tone.

Nevertheless, the backdrop for this statement came from your allegation that Rudolf Kittel was a Nazi, therefore we ought not trust the Biblica Hebraica Stuttgartensia. I followed up and made the corrective statement that I don't reject the KJV because there was a "drunk who was a translator." As a side note: Beer, as a beverage, was far more acceptable in the days of 1611. It is highly unlikely that Catholics, especially then, would slander others as being "drunk."

We don't make our text choices based simply on the private lives of individuals that did the translation work. We make our text choices based on the accuracy of the translation. To put all of this in perspective, my exact position on the matter is that I believe the KJV translators were excellent scholars who produced an amazing work in their time. Perfect men? No.

ziggy2sound4u 05-21-2008 03:53 PM

Actually it is EXACTLY what a Catholic would do (slander the King James Version).
If that is your source, it isn't worth much.
Catholics are not noted for their honesty.

Jeremy 05-27-2008 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by ziggy2sound4u (Post 5117)
Actually it is EXACTLY what a Catholic would do (slander the King James Version).
If that is your source, it isn't worth much.
Catholics are not noted for their honesty.

It is interesting how Catholics do use the KJ Bible,my girlfriends family are hispanic and Die hard Catholics,they have the Spanish KJB,however they also have other books as well,sound familiar,Mormonism,Jehovahs witness etc..,They have the truth in there hands,but will rely on the Figure head in the Pulpit to tell them where they are going. That is the problem with not searching out the truth for yourself in the Bible and relying on the man up front.
Our pastor say's not to trust what he say's, but to search it out,he has even said to our congregation,how do you know i am telling you the truth?Look it up!

As far as a translator being a drunk,that fits right in with the same garbage about all of those lost books of the bible. Give me a break!

If God wanted them in there he would have put them in there!

ziggy2sound4u 05-28-2008 09:46 AM

Amen, Jeremy !!!

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar".(Prov. 30:5-6)

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, AND SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, WHETHER THOSE THINGS WERE SO".(Acts 17:11)

The Bible is ALWAYS true, and one should ALWAYS check to be sure that preachers are true too!

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