Obama, "the anti-christ"
 

Does anyone think that Obama could be the anti-christ? Or, paving the way for the anti-christ?

not the anti-Christ, but definitely paving the way...

The Antichrist will be a Jew, and will come from Syria. He'll probably assume the Papacy, or at least take complete control of the Catholic Church, thus uniting in himself all three "great religions:" a Jew, a native of Muslim Syria, and a "Christian."

I think his election might very well be part of the process of smoothing the path for the Antichrist. It's clear from Scripture that, in the very end times (like the Tribulation), the real centers of power will be Europe and the Middle East. (The "kings of the east" play a part, too: and China is now coming on strong.) By then, America must be a third or fourth-rate power, and Obama is just the man to get us there with his "international" outlook and his weakness on defense.

A man like Reagan, or maybe even McCain, wouldn't hand over all our sovereignty to the UN or the European Union. But Obama might do just that.

So, Obama's election might mean that the Tribulation is right around the corner. But we figured that the Rapture could come any day, so it's no big surprise!

You're right. If you think about it, we should be rejoicing right now because the Lord is coming soon!

The Antichrist will be a Jew, and will come from Syria.[quote]

Where does it say that in the bible??

So, Obama's election might mean that the Tribulation is right around the corner. But we figured that the Rapture could come any day, so it's no big surprise![QUOTE]

And can someone find me a verse where its talks about this rapture cause as far as i can see there is no such thing we'll all be here until the end!!!

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride
Where does it say that in the bible not trying to debate just want to find it.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride
Where in the bible does it say anything about a rapture. Im pretty sure that we are all here till the end.

No,as a christian i don't think we will know who he is,since we will be raptured. He will not be revealed until the Holy Spirit is gone out of this world. I received a crazy email the other day that parralled the anti-christ and Obama,it said the anti-christ would be around 40,Muslim descent,who will decieve the nations with pervasive languages and have a Massive christ like appeal etc etc.. and they referenced Revelation Chapter 13. There is nothing in there that states any specifics or any other books of the Bible that i recall.
Some of what they say are in line with what the Charismatic/Pentecostal/Holy rollers believe. I also heard that some preacher(who is deceased now?) had prophesied that we would have a woman president,of course this was all before the election,guess they were wrong.

EverlastingSon:
That's a good question, some Christians hold to a different doctrine, however I do not believe God's adopted children in this dispensation of grace will go through the tribulation or "Jacob's trouble." I assume that is what you mean by "the end."

To be clear---I am talking about the children of God who have trusted Christ's blood for redemption, those who have received God's gift of salvation and have been "born again." (Eph. 2:8-9, John 1:12, John 3:3-6)

Please remember in Genesis when God destroyed the world he lifted his people above the flood and destruction first. I snatched this info below off another site, should give you some fuel for further study, God bless...

According to the Bible, Jesus will one day come down out of heaven and then He will "snatch up" all Christians (living and dead) off of the earth to meet Him in the clouds. This "snatching up" of Christians is often referred to as "the Rapture of the Church." Here are two of the main passages which describe the Rapture:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18)

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." (1 Corinthians 15:50-53)

The Greek word harpazo means "to seize ... catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and it is translated as "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

(Bold my emphasis)

"Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:" Galatians 1:4

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us,] who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Cor. 5:20-21

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." Philippians 3:20-21

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;..." Titus 2:13



I view the Holy Bible from a dispensational(a good biblical word) viewpoint. As such, I am not looking for the antichrist, the Temple being rebuilt, ...... I am looking for the rapture, I am to "look for the Saviour", His "glorious appearing", to be "taken out from", "delivered" "...from this present evil world..."(Galatians 1:4). Notice that Paul is speaking to those already saved here in Galatians 1. Thus, the "deliverance" here is not salvation from spiritual death, i.e., the penalty of sin(which, in its basic meaning, simply means 'deliverance from a danger'), for that is a "done deal"- it is referencing the rapture, our deliverance from the presence of sin, i.e., our glorification:

"When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory." Col. 3:4


Ambassadors represent their Commander In-Chief in a foreign country. We are these ambassadors, the earth being "hostile/enemy territory"("present evil world"), our citizenship being heaven, i.e, "this present evil world" is hostile territory for those "in Christ", His "ambassadors" representing Him in a foreign land. When war breaks out, when "hostilities come to a final boiling point"("The Great Tribulation"), who are the first people to be "removed" from enemy territory? The ambassadors, the "dignataries"-we will be removed, "raptured' to our "real" home-heaven.


In Christ,

John M. Whalen

Was Syria considered a part of Persia in Daniel's day?

Peace and Love,
Stephen

I agree with you here brother. Although I have a question for you in regards to the Temple. Do you think it is wrong to study the efforts being made to rebuild the Temple? I have a book I just purchased called "The Temple and Bible Prophecy - A Difinitive Look at its Past Present and Future" by Randall Price. This subject interests me a great deal, but at the same time I feel that it is a great error for Christians to promote the rebuilding of the Temple. I feel that it is hypocritical to promote the rebuilding of the Temple which serves absolutely no function in the dispensation of grace. So, with all that being said, what are your thoughts on this?

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Bro. Parrish:
What about when Jesus is talking about the tribulation of when the father shall give up tha son to death and the children will give the parents to death.

In Revelation with the seven churches when it says be faithful until the end that you may recieve your crown, hold that which you have let no man steal your crown be faithful until the end.

matthew 24:9
then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

MATTHEW24:29-31
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see tha Son of Man coming in the cloudsof heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Thats jus scripture saying that we WILL be here for the tribulation i mean its nice to think we wont be that would be really nice but this is God's Word.

So if u believe in the rapture your going to have to show me scriptures backing it up becuase we must take heed that no man decieve us in the times. For many will be decieved even the very elect.
God Bless

Just one more thing try to keep these scriptures in context because you can make the bible say anything when you take it out of context.
God Bless

You also have to understand the Right Division of Scripture in order to know what the Bible says. The Scriptures you posted are applicable to the people IN the Tribulation, which according to Revelation are the Jews and a few Gentiles that aren't deceived. God's attention turns back to His people, the nation of Israel, after the Church is called away (2 Thess).

Trust me, we're not noobs when it comes to the Scriptures and contextual doctrine. ;)

Right, and none of those Scriptures even hint at being about the Gentile Church (saved by Grace). The thing to remember is that the tribulation is called the time of "Jacob's" trouble, not the time of the "Gentile's" trouble (although the unbelieving Gentile nations in this dispensation will certainly be troubled beyond any other time of trouble.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Please forgive my delay in answering, brother: this has been a hectic week.

Rather than answer your question in my own words, I'm gonna give you some links that explain the Antichrist being a Jew. Please be aware that these are good articles, but they are not from completely reliable sites: they're mostly "Reformed," like Calvinistic, but they've got this one right.

http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq72.html

http://www.articlecity.com/articles/...icle_809.shtml

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/pink/antichrist.chap03.i.html

I think the other brethren have answered that question.

MC1171611:
What was i suppose to be looking for in 2 thessalonians you just put that up there and didnt tell me what im suppose to be looking for?!

If God spared not the natural branch, and us as u say that are gentiles the scripture says to us to take heed less he also spare not the gentiles that were grafted in. The jews were broken off because of unbelief for we that are gentiles must stand by faith. Which means trusting, standing on and doing His word.
See Romans 11:17-22
Jews & Gentiles now are all one in the body Of Christ.

Stephanos:

U say saved by grace, what does that mean to you!!

Vendetta Ride:
Im sorry to bring you into this brother im not going out to make enemies i hope that everyone can understand that. But tha brethren hav'nt convinced me yet i mean there is no scripture that talks about a rapture. Vendetta Ride...What does saved by grace mean to you?

Vendetta Ride:
Sorry to bring you into this im not on here to make enemies or try to decieve just to spread Gods Word to full. And there is no scripture backing up what any of the brethren have said about this rapture. That we will be taken up before the tribulation. Then there's some that are taking it out of context for example:

Which is that God might deliver us from tha sin in this present world not take us up out of the world this verse is talkin about sin not a rapture. And it says "sins" not "sin".
Which means to deal with something that is in this world, something that is in your life, which is effecting your life.
Matthew 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Vendetta Ride what does Saved by Grace mean to you?

It means my salvation was a free gift of God which I did nothing to deserve, nor can I do anything to keep it. My standing in God's eyes is maintained by the fact that I am hid in Christ Jesus through my belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Colossians 3:3 (KJV) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Romans 8:33 (KJV) Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

EverlastingSon, your response was peculiar. May I ask you an odd question? I will anyways, have you recieved Jesus Christ as your Savior?

Peace and Love,
Stephen

2Th. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

This, for starters. This is where Paul begins to speak of the end of the Church's time on earth: two verses later it says "...that day shall not come..." One of the important things abut end times prophecy in the Bible is the phrase "That day" or "the day of the Lord." These phrases speak of the Second Coming of Christ specifically, and more broadly of the Tribulation period. In this case, Paul is talking about the "catching away" or Rapture of the Church.

1Th. 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Almost every time that the Bible says "Be not ignorant" or "I would not have you to be ignorant," people are ignorant about it. It shows up time and again, and those are usually the subjects that people don't study out. (I'm not specifically saying this about you: I'm pointing out a general truth about the Scriptures and modern Christianity) In this case Paul is telling them about the dead Christians: he's giving them hope about the resurrection.

1Th. 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Notice that he said "coming of the Lord" and not "the day of the Lord," so this isn't specifically speaking about the Second Coming of Christ, which occurs at the end of the Tribulation (Rev. 19:11), but in this case about the Rapture of the Church. The word "prevent" there doesn't mean the same thing it does today: in 1611 English that word meant "go before." Etymologically-speaking, "pre" means before, and "vent" is the root of the word "advent" or "coming," generally-speaking. The word basically means to "go before," so we will not be "going before," or leaving before, the dead in Christ.

1Th. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

In Revelation, Jesus comes and actually lands on the earth, wearing a blood-dipped garment, riding a white horse, and destroying everything in His path ("Jesus is coming, and boy is He mad!"). In this instance, He not only comes in a different manner, but the Bible doesn't say He actually touches the ground. Reference Acts 1:11.

1Th. 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So after Jesus comes down (without actually coming all the way to the ground) and resurrects the dead Christians, we go meet Him in the clouds (again, Acts 1:11). From that moment on, we will be with Him eternally.

1Th. 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So take heart: we don't have to endure the times of Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble, Daniel's Seventieth Week, etc.) because our Lord Jesus Christ is going to take us out of here!

It means that I am a wretched sinner, wholly deserving of God's wrath, and without hope, except in His unfathomable mercy. It means that I cannot escape Hell by any form of "good works," church attendance, "spiritual feelings," baptism, "sacraments," or even correct doctrine. It means that when I cast myself on the mercy of God, and receive Him on His terms according to John 1:12 and John 3, He will save me for His Son's sake, just as David showed kindness to Mephibosheth for Jonathan's sake. And it means that once I'm saved, and part of the body of Christ, I cannot "lose my salvation," through my own stupidities or sins, because the same grace that saved me is going to keep me.

Okay, that's my answer. Please return the favor by telling me what it mens to you.

Man, I totally forgot about John 1:12 in my witness to that fella on youtube. That verse is such a gem!

Peace and Love,
Stephen