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Winman 01-31-2009 08:26 PM

Ruckman on the KJB
 
I am pretty new here, so this may have been covered in the past.

But here is a sermon on the KJB by Peter Ruckman. I know there are some here that like him, others not. I personally like his preaching style, but I do not agree with him about life beginning when a baby takes it's first breath. So this is not about whether you like the man or agree with everything he says. But this is a sermon on the King James, I just want to see what folks here say about this video. It is in two parts.

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6qQ...eature=related

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wNC...eature=related

stephanos 02-01-2009 01:28 AM

Yeah, I enjoyed those as well. I also love his preaching style. Not only that but if you watch his chalk talks you'll find that the church is really something to behold. The brethren there truly love the Lord and aren't afraid to proclaim it! :D Glory to God! It's such a beautiful thing to behold men and women seeking and worshipping our Lord. I don't think there is anything that bring me greater joy. Shoot, I nearly cried today when I saw a couple at this Mexican restaurant give thanks before their meal. *sigh* anywho, sorry I'm rambling.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Jeremy 02-01-2009 08:59 AM

I enjoyed watching those as well,its nice to hear a preacher who stands for something,instead of others who are fence straddlers. I don't agree with when a baby takes its first breath issue either,nonetheless,good sermon.

tonybones2112 03-07-2009 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winman (Post 15110)
I am pretty new here, so this may have been covered in the past.

But here is a sermon on the KJB by Peter Ruckman. I know there are some here that like him, others not. I personally like his preaching style, but I do not agree with him about life beginning when a baby takes it's first breath. So this is not about whether you like the man or agree with everything he says. But this is a sermon on the King James, I just want to see what folks here say about this video. It is in two parts.

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy6qQ...eature=related

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9wNC...eature=related


An example of even the best of us make mistakes.

I'm familiar with Dr. Ruckman's position on this from years ago. My question is which "breath" does the child take, through it's own lungs or its MOTHER'S?

I seem to remember somewhere a prophet was known by God before God formed him "...in the womb." Seems God would not know a disassociated blob of protein, but a PERSON.

My experience in biology did not stop with mortuary science. From the instant a male and female zygote are joined, the result is a living human being.

Doc Pete, we love ya, you blew it on this one.

Grace and peace

Tony

stephanos 03-08-2009 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonybones2112 (Post 16447)
An example of even the best of us make mistakes.

I'm familiar with Dr. Ruckman's position on this from years ago. My question is which "breath" does the child take, through it's own lungs or its MOTHER'S?

I seem to remember somewhere a prophet was known by God before God formed him "...in the womb." Seems God would not know a disassociated blob of protein, but a PERSON.

My experience in biology did not stop with mortuary science. From the instant a male and female zygote are joined, the result is a living human being.

Doc Pete, we love ya, you blew it on this one.

Grace and peace

Tony

I think he has it partially correct. I think there is a fundamental difference between a child in the womb and one who has just taken its first breath. I have payed extra careful attention to verses dealing with "breath", "soul", "spirit", and "life" as I read through the Bible these last three months and I am still convinced that Ruckman was on to something. I'm not saying he was entirely correct, since I think abortion is a sin. Nevertheless I think there is a distinction.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Tmonk 03-08-2009 04:17 AM

Jeremiah 1:4-5

4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


That pretty much settles it for me.

stephanos 03-08-2009 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmonk (Post 16470)
Jeremiah 1:4-5

4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


That pretty much settles it for me.

Settles what? That settles nothing. That just proves that God's purpose for Jeremiah was settled before he was even formed in his mother. That does nothing to settle the difference between something with the breath of life in it and something without. You fail to realize that this isn't about "is abortion sinful or not" but rather "is there a difference between a child taking form in the womb and a child that has taken its first breath". Anyone who has actually read the Scriptures (cherry pickers don't count) will notice a distinction.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Cody1611 03-08-2009 09:14 PM

Good videos. I like his preaching style also.

tonybones2112 03-09-2009 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephanos (Post 16461)
I think he has it partially correct. I think there is a fundamental difference between a child in the womb and one who has just taken its first breath. I have payed extra careful attention to verses dealing with "breath", "soul", "spirit", and "life" as I read through the Bible these last three months and I am still convinced that Ruckman was on to something. I'm not saying he was entirely correct, since I think abortion is a sin. Nevertheless I think there is a distinction.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Stephen, I think a body without a spirit is dead. I've fought the "breath/spirit" fight with the hardened Ruckmanites till I'm sick of it, and bringing out the incident where my mother carried a dead baby in her womb for the last two months of gestation where it had been beaten to death by her first husband, combined with the look on my face, has put the "quietus(Koine' English) on personal discussions of the topic with me. I'm not at this time angry in the least. I just think Dr. Ruckman is secretly flattered and tickled(more Koine' English)by the extremists in his camp. Personally I see no distinction, a human being is a human being, life begins at conception. I've had the hardened extremists(particularly in a yahoo group I quit, or was thrown out of I should say)who told me the words to Jeremiah were "...just for that ONE INCIDENT...". Just like a Seventh Day Adventist who says God telling Peter to eat anything on the divine sheet in Acts 10 was a "...one time thing ONLY to Peter..." Your and my differences are too small to disagree over on this topic, grace and peace to you my friend.

Tony

stephanos 03-09-2009 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonybones2112 (Post 16523)
Stephen, I think a body without a spirit is dead. I've fought the "breath/spirit" fight with the hardened Ruckmanites till I'm sick of it, and bringing out the incident where my mother carried a dead baby in her womb for the last two months of gestation where it had been beaten to death by her first husband, combined with the look on my face, has put the "quietus(Koine' English) on personal discussions of the topic with me. I'm not at this time angry in the least. I just think Dr. Ruckman is secretly flattered and tickled(more Koine' English)by the extremists in his camp. Personally I see no distinction, a human being is a human being, life begins at conception. I've had the hardened extremists(particularly in a yahoo group I quit, or was thrown out of I should say)who told me the words to Jeremiah were "...just for that ONE INCIDENT...". Just like a Seventh Day Adventist who says God telling Peter to eat anything on the divine sheet in Acts 10 was a "...one time thing ONLY to Peter..." Your and my differences are too small to disagree over on this topic, grace and peace to you my friend.

Tony

Fair enough. Like I've said in the other posts is that the only thing I'm settled on is that there is a distinction, and that I don't know what exactly it is. :pound: The rest is just speculation.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

tonybones2112 03-09-2009 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephanos (Post 16541)
Fair enough. Like I've said in the other posts is that the only thing I'm settled on is that there is a distinction, and that I don't know what exactly it is. :pound: The rest is just speculation.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Stephen, I'm still new here and I guess some of you are still wary, but in all sincerity I hope you find out what it is.

Grace and peace

Tony

Luke 03-09-2009 03:28 PM

I fear that every time someone says "here is a sermon by Ruckman" they are going to apologise for the abortion audio....

stephanos 03-09-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke (Post 16569)
I fear that every time someone says "here is a sermon by Ruckman" they are going to apologise for the abortion audio....

Yeah, that's what I feel as well. I don't know why Ruckman had to voice his beliefs on this like he did. It's like his two divorces weren't enough to make things difficult for him that he had to ante things up a bit. I wish he'd have thought twice on this one.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Easy E 03-10-2009 05:57 AM

Quote:

Yeah, that's what I feel as well. I don't know why Ruckman had to voice his beliefs on this like he did. It's like his two divorces weren't enough to make things difficult for him that he had to ante things up a bit. I wish he'd have thought twice on this one.

Peace and Love,
Stephen
No you don't. Doc wouldn't be the man he is if it wasn't for his ability to speak and not give a flip what other's say about it. As a pastor, you are supposed to declare the whole counsel of God and not spend all day worrying about what the "Brethren" are going to think about it. (Scripture - Acts 20:27)

Eric

Bro. Parrish 03-10-2009 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonybones2112 (Post 16447)
An example of even the best of us make mistakes.

I'm familiar with Dr. Ruckman's position on this from years ago. My question is which "breath" does the child take, through it's own lungs or its MOTHER'S?

I seem to remember somewhere a prophet was known by God before God formed him "...in the womb." Seems God would not know a disassociated blob of protein, but a PERSON.

My experience in biology did not stop with mortuary science. From the instant a male and female zygote are joined, the result is a living human being.

Doc Pete, we love ya, you blew it on this one.

Grace and peace

Tony

Well said Bro. Tony, I've got your back on this one.
By the way, if the administrator of this forum did not agree with you I would no longer stay here. (Yes, I feel that strongly about it).

You all know how I love Bro. Ruckman, but all you "breathers" will have to lick your wounds---THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE UNBORN HUMAN AND THE ONE WRITING THIS IN ALL CAPS. I feel the "breath of life thing" is a flawed application of Genesis 2:7. Adam was a special case (first man). These days human babies get their breath (oxygen) from their mother's umbilical cords, a distinctive physical feature Adam DID NOT HAVE. Regardless of how much the Planned Parenthood/Margaret Sanger eugenics crowd hates it, the unborn are fully alive in the womb in every way---same as you and me, not partially alive or sort of alive, etc. (Luke 1:15, Isaiah 49:1, Judges 13:7, Jeremiah 20:17).

Plenty of locked and burned threads here about that whole issue, let's not pour gas on the embers.

Okay, rant over... quietly sinking back into the leather sofa.

P.S. -- I mean no offense to the "breathers." you are my brothers in Christ. That makes you my "brother breathers." :)

Diligent 03-10-2009 09:45 AM

This topic has been pretty thoroughly hashed out before. Search the forum for "breath of life" if you want to read over it again.

My position is based (among many things) on believing Job knew what he was talking about when he said:
Job 3:11 Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
Job 10:18 Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me!
Job knew he had a spirit (ghost) as an unborn. Who am I to argue with that?

stephanos 03-10-2009 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy E (Post 16594)
No you don't. Doc wouldn't be the man he is if it wasn't for his ability to speak and not give a flip what other's say about it. As a pastor, you are supposed to declare the whole counsel of God and not spend all day worrying about what the "Brethren" are going to think about it. (Scripture - Acts 20:27)

Eric

You're right. I'm sorry brother. I guess I wouldn't love the man like I do if he were any different.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

tonybones2112 03-12-2009 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish (Post 16602)
Well said Bro. Tony, I've got your back on this one.
By the way, if the administrator of this forum did not agree with you I would no longer stay here. (Yes, I feel that strongly about it).

You all know how I love Bro. Ruckman, but all you "breathers" will have to lick your wounds---THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE UNBORN HUMAN AND THE ONE WRITING THIS IN ALL CAPS. I feel the "breath of life thing" is a flawed application of Genesis 2:7. Adam was a special case (first man). These days human babies get their breath (oxygen) from their mother's umbilical cords, a distinctive physical feature Adam DID NOT HAVE. Regardless of how much the Planned Parenthood/Margaret Sanger eugenics crowd hates it, the unborn are fully alive in the womb in every way---same as you and me, not partially alive or sort of alive, etc. (Luke 1:15, Isaiah 49:1, Judges 13:7, Jeremiah 20:17).

Plenty of locked and burned threads here about that whole issue, let's not pour gas on the embers.

Okay, rant over... quietly sinking back into the leather sofa.

P.S. -- I mean no offense to the "breathers." you are my brothers in Christ. That makes you my "brother breathers." :)

I don't want to sound overly gloomy or Gothic brother Parrish, but the Scriptures, the sword of the Spirit that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lamb, has two edges. It can come right back around and cut the wielder if he or she ain't careful.

Grace and peace to you

Tony


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