The Flying Roll and UFO's
 

I have an old sermon on UFO's by Dr. Ruckman, in that sermon he gives some interesting comments regarding the "flying roll" of Zechariah 5 (as I recall he considers this to be a UFO). I have posted this passage below for review.

I have also noticed that we have several excellent students of the Bible on this forum who claim to have seen UFO's, (Unidentified Flying Objects) so feel free to post your comments on what you think about these things and tell us what you experienced.

Zechariah 5

1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

4 I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

I am not an excellent Bible student, but I have seen UFOs on multiple occasions. But it is difficult to talk about, because as soon as you do some people treat you like you are crazy. All I can say is that I am not crazy whatsoever, I think my posts reflect that. I am a careful observer. Several of the objects I observed were from very close and unmistakeable for known objects. I am talking about objects I could observe in detail, not little lights in the far distance. I even saw one of these objects in the daytime. I have never seen any occupants or had missing time or anything like that. If anyone wants to hear about these observations, I will be glad to write a detailed report.

I personally think UFOs are spiritual. They are like angels who made physical manifestations in the OT. I think that in this state they can be observed, and possibly even touched. At the same time they can break our natural laws at will. This is why UFOs have been observed to accelerate to fantastic speeds from a dead stop (this would kill an occupant), make right angle turns, or plunge into the sea or mountain without harm.

I also believe that there is a reason for the modern UFO age that started around 1947 with the observations of the pilot Kenneth Arnold in Washington state. It was Arnold who described these objects as looking like "flying saucers". This description caught on and now is a common term.

I believe UFOs serve several purposes, all of them evil. First, they cast doubt on the creation account. Many believe life on Earth was placed here by ancient astronauts from other planets. So, they cast doubt on the validity of the Bible.

I believe UFOs may be used to explain the Rapture. When millions of Christians are suddenly caught up, perhaps UFOs will be blamed for this disapperance.

Because of these observations, I have taken a keen interest in UFOs in the past. But I rarely read or study about them anymore. I did find this article several years ago, and to me it makes a lot of sense.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...nciareal07.htm

Winman, I think you're right. I believe UFOs are spiritual vessels and all the different types of aliens are demons or devils.

It's all a part of the 'big" lie that will damn all who believe it. God will send strong delusion that those who believed not the truth WILL believe the BIG LIE. Evolution, the moon landing, Roswell, NM, crop circles, aliens, UFOs are all pieces of the lie which I'll refer to as the strong delusion.

Seeking out interaction with fallen angels and demons ("aliens") is participating in the occult in the same way as attempting to contact spirits through the Ouija board, seance, witchcraft, necromancy.

Christians need to think and pray about it. If you have even a grain of doubt that you should be out looking for UFOs, then don't do it. I know I have enough to answer to the Lord for, as it is. God forbid I should have to explain why I encouraged others to become involved with secret, hidden things; phenomena designed to pave the way for believing the big lie through strong delusion.

I would have responded earlier but I thought the reference to UFO watching had to be an inside joke that I haven't been around long enough to "get". I plead with any christian not to get involved with this. If I saw a UFO I would run the other way as fast as I could. Better yet, I would drop to my knees and pray for discernment and protection.

2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I'm not sure how I did it but I was editing my post and it showed up twice so I erased this one

There is a new series on the History Channel called UFO Hunters, it's a pretty straightforward documentary... they interview a lot of police officers, commercial pilots and military personnel... anyway, a few days ago they had some video footage on there taken over an airport that was REALLY strange... to me it sounds very similar to what Winman saw, if I can find it I will put up a link.

http://www.letusreason.org/NAM24.htm
http://www.letusreason.org/NAM25.htm
http://www.letusreason.org/NAM26.htm

The man who wrote these isn't KJV only and I'm not sure if he even uses a KJV, but he sure does know the "Bibles" that he owns. This man has also done a great deal of reaserch of cults and occultism and I find much of his stuff interesting to read, and has three articles on U.F.Os which I posted above.

Please consider watching these linked videos. Watch all of them: Sessions 1-6. This is exactly what I believe is happening. Chuck Missler has been one one my favorite Bible/prophesy teachers for years. He's really excellent. I believe he still uses KJV but he is not KJVO.

http://www.khouse.org/pages/special_...en_encounters/

Well OK, it's a total of 6 hours so watch or listen to sessions 3 or 4 if you don't have time for all 6!

Double post, see my next post for a description of another sighting I have seen.

Let me make this clear, I don't look for them at all. You see them when you least expect it. I had posted one of these sightings a few months back, now I will tell you about another very close sighting I had.

It was in the winter of 1978 and at that time I worked 2nd shift for a company in New Milford, Connecticut. I lived in Waterbury, so each night I had about a 45 minute to 1 hour ride home.

I don't remember the exact date, but it was either February or March. I do remember it was a very clear, very cold, and beautiful night. There was a full moon.

It was around midnight, and I was travelling east on I-84, one of the busiest highways in our state. But this night there was very little traffic. I came over a large hill about 5 miles outside of Waterbury. After you come over this hill there is a long straightaway, maybe a mile, then the highway curves sharply to the left (north).

Anyway, as I am coming down this long straightaway, I look over to my left. Just above the trees, I would say no more than 50 feet above them, I saw this large object. It was a very simple object, it looked like a long metallic tube. It was shaped just like an Oscar Mayer hot-dog. I know that sounds silly, but that was it's shape. It was long and narrow, it was not shaped like a balloon or blimp (which I have seen on several occasions). I would estimate it was maybe 100 feet long, and maybe 15 feet tall, with rounded ends on each end.

I could see this object clear as a bell, as the sky was very bright that night from the full moon. The object actually looked dark against the sky, that is how bright the sky was that night. I cannot tell you the color of this object, but I thought it was a dark greyish color.

I quickly rolled down my window to get a better look and to see if I could hear this aircraft. All I could hear was the wind as I was going probably 65-70 MPH. I looked at the object as best I could while still looking at the road. This object had no wings or stabilizers whatsoever, it had no undercarriage as blimps do.

This aircraft did have three portholes on it's underside. They were perfectly round, just like the portholes on a ship, and evenly spaced apart. And a blue light was shining out of each porthole. The portholes looked like windows to me, and I could actually see INSIDE this ship. But all I saw was blue light inside.

Now, as I am driving down this long straightaway, this aircraft is travelling parallel with me in the same direction, although it is out-pacing me slightly. So, I estimate it was going around 80-90 MPH. It is just on the other side of this four lane highway, probably 200 feet distant at most. I wouldn't say I could have thrown a rock and hit it, but if I had a BB gun I could have hit it easily, that is how close this object is to me.

As this object got ahead of me, I saw that it also had a round porthole on it's end. This porthole was different though, it was shining green light. Again, I could literally see inside this craft, but all I saw was green light. It was as if this object was hollow inside.

As the object got to the bottom of the hill it did something that amazed me. It turned and followed the left turn in the highway. It was amazing, because I realized this craft was using the highway to navigate by! As I got to the bottom of the hill and made the left turn myself, I could still see this object, but now all I could see was the rear green porthole. It was very low now, and I was not in nearly as good a position to observe it. We were approaching the outskirts of Waterbury, and now the highway had many streetlights on each side, and I lost the object in the glare of the lights.

So, that was it. When I arrived home a few minutes later I told my wife what I had seen, and she believed me. She thought I should call the Police, but I didn't see the sense, they would just think I was crazy, and besides, the object was gone. So, I didn't call.

I do not believe this object was a military craft for several reasons. First, it was flying too low. The military does not fly aircraft, even experimental aircraft at tree-top level in the middle of the night in very hilly terrain. I am sure it was not a balloon or blimp as it was not shaped like a balloon, plus it was way too fast. The world speed record for a blimp is around 90 MPH I believe, at altitude. It also made no noise that I could hear, if you've ever heard a blimp they make a real racket that you can hear for miles. And again, balloons do not fly at tree-top level at midnight.

Plus, I can't say I know it all, but I grew up around military bases all my life, as my father was an aircraft technician for the military. I have seen some pretty amazing aircraft, including captured German buzz-bombs that the Air Force used to fly as drones when we lived at Eglin AFB. I was very into planes as a boy, I used to build models of all the WWI, WWII, and modern aircraft. This doesn't make me an expert, but I was pretty good at identifying aircraft. This object was unlike anything I have ever seen before or since.

But I did not look for this object, it was just right there where I could see it. And you know, I got the strong impression that it was making this display just for me. I don't remember seeing any other vehicles on the road when I made this sighting. And I really don't enjoy seeing these things. I will say it is fascinating, but afterwards I do not feel well. I have never for one second thought these objects are from another planet, I know they are spiritual, and that they are evil. I do not know why they even attempt to fool me, I trust in Jesus.

'If you have even a grain of doubt that you should be out looking for UFOs, then don't do it.'

Winman- I was referring to another brother on this board who made plans to go looking for UFOs. If a believer will study the issue they will see that UFOs/aliens are deceiving spirits. I don't know why you have seen them and I haven't. Major sightings tend to have multiple witnesses of the same event; it's not a vision, it's real. UFO activity seems to pick up during important events in history, too. If I ever see one I will be commanding it to depart in Jesus's name!!! If anyone has a spare 6 hours on their hands the link to the videos/audios on post#7 are very enlightening on this topic.

Winman, you are being called out on the Funny Furball Forums.

Apparently, we have to question you and cross examine your witness here, even though, like many other witnesses to UFO's (by definition, UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS), have no reason to lie.

But I guess you must not have seen what you saw because everybody knows UFO's don't exist.

Luke

Yeah, I figured it would get out over there. You know, they have regular spies here, you can see their names at the bottom of the forums, some have been members for months, and have never posted even once.

Hey, I would be a liar if I said I did not see these objects. And I have several more I could tell, though not quite as interesting as the one I posted a few months ago and today.

You tell me, do I come across as a nut-case? Or maybe they think I like to spin yarns? Maybe I missed my calling and should be writing fiction and making millions.

No, it is easy to write these accounts in detail because they really happened to me. I have only seen these objects, I have never seen an occupant or had missing time or any of that stuff. And I do not look for these events. Actually, they are very disturbing really. I often have periods of depression afterward. They are extremely peculiar things to see, very wierd.

Let 'em laugh. I think they come here because we are far more interesting, and also far more spiritual than they are. They are a bunch of doubting-Thomases. They like to puff each other up with their pseudo "scholarship". Other than criticize real believers, they have very little to offer.

So, let 'em laugh, I stand by my story. Maybe I will even tell another. :)

Oh, and if anyone wants to cross-examine me, I will be glad to answer any questions you have. Make the boys at the Funny Farm Forum happy. :)

Wow, I just went over to FFF and yes they are attacking me. No big deal.

I will say this, I signed up over there several weeks ago to answer one of FreeSundaySchoolLessons questions to me. I do not believe I would enjoy the company of these doubters, but I was willing to answer his question.

Well, no one has ever sent me authorization to post!

I can log in, and it shows me logged in, but when I try to post I get a message saying this:

Just tried it now, that is how I copied and pasted the message I get.

So, if you fix this, maybe I will come over and let you guys put me under the hot lights. But don't get the idea I will be a regular, the few times I've gone over and read the way you MVs talk about Bible believers, I really have no desire to argue with you doubters. Most of you are very immature and juvenile.

I like it just fine here with people who believe God's Word as I do. I came here for that very reason, I used to belong to another forum where there were many who attacked the Bible (Yes, the BIBLE, there is only one). I left there to get away from folks like you.

Winman, Barry (FSSL) has his own little forum here. Perhaps you can get permission to log on there and go directly to him. Posting at FFF will cause you a lot of extra attacks.

So, you want me to skip over all the devils and go face to face with Beelzebub himself?

His head is swollen enough already with pride and self-satisfaction. It is greater torture to him NOT to come to his forum. :pound:

Burn baby burn!

Winman, I want to be clear here. I believe Barry to be saved. I cannot go into detail in public, but through a few of our private conversations, I am fairly certain of his salvation. What he does not have is spiritual discernment. That has been burned away by his frequent scoffing and ridicule of other believers. But I believe him to be a Christian, "yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:15 - If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.)

Well I have never seen one myself, I have seen some things at night that caught my eye, but they always turned out to be planes. But I'll tell you this; since U.F.O. simply means Unidentified Flying Object, and since we now have hundreds if not thousands of commercial pilots, military personnel and law enforcement officers who are coming forward about the amazing things they have seen, I think anyone who doesn't believe UFO's exist would just about have to be mentally insane.

Once, when I was riding my motorcycle, I was hit in the face by an unidentified flying object. Does that count? :D

Brother Tim

I sincerely and truly hope FSSL is saved, I really do. That was un-Christian of me to call him Beelzebub. I am human, and I also have quite the sense of humor if I do say so myself, so I had to give him a little jab there. But I hope he is saved.

I do not visit FFF very often. I did at first out of curiosity, and I read quite a few posts, especially in the Bible Versions Forum. But the way the MVs attack those who believe in the Bible (and again, there is only one) is very immature and juvenile. I am 55 years old and really do not have the energy to argue with very childish people like this.

I would go there and let them question me about this UFO sighting if they want. I have nothing to hide, I told the truth as best as I can remember (it has been over 30 years). It is still very fresh in my mind, you don't forget experiences like this.

But I would not be a regular there. They are very childish and immature. Instead of posting scripture to support their positions, they usually ridicule a person, as if that proves they are right.

These folks don't get it. They will never understand scripture through scholarship. You can only understand scripture through the Holy Spirit, they are spiritually discerned.

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

These folks think we are fools. That is exactly what the Bible says the natural man will think.

If ever they have the courage to trust God who promised to preserve his scriptures, then their eyes will be opened to understand, but not until.

I think Dr. Peter Ruckman is the BEST God called preacher alive, but I still don't believe in UFO's. I've listened to his tapes on the UFO's and it is just not enough to convince me. I believe that the government has planes that people don't know about and they test them out and people think they are UFO's. I'm sure that is not always the case though. I've been outside and looked at the night sky. Your mind gets to wondering and you see all kinds of things. Satellites, plane lights...I mean there is a lot of things out there that can be mistaken for a UFO. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with there being UFO's. I'm just saying that I would need to study it a little bit more.

Cody

First of all, I am not a Ruckmanite. I heard about Peter Ruckman many years ago, I have heard of dozens of great preachers. But I am not a follower of any, I do not have a single book by him. I did listen to a short sermon by him on YouTube a few months ago, I believe that is the only sermon by Ruckman I have ever heard. I possibly heard one many years ago, but I can't recall it.

You can believe my report or not. I completely understand if you don't, it is very confusing when you see one of these things, it is very easy to question your own self. But, I saw what I saw, and I paid careful attention to what I saw. And I will not deny what I saw. As I posted before, I am a careful observer who grew up around air bases all my life. I lived near Eglin AFB when I lived in Fort Walton Beach, Fla, later Tyndall AFB when we lived in Panama City, Fla. (where I was saved), and later in Jacksonville, Fla., where my dad worked at the NARF (Naval Air Rework Facility) until his retirement. I have been around aircraft all my life, and my dream as a boy was to be a pilot. If you would have asked me when I was 15 years old, I could have identified any military aircraft in the air. I could have told you the length, wingspan, weight, engine, and many other details, that is how into aircraft I was. I can't do that now, although I still can recognize older aircraft most of the time. But I don't study it like I did when I was young.

And my sightings were not little lights in the distance. These objects were very close, within several hundred feet at most. They were very easy to see in detail, even at night (I saw one in daylight).

So, you can believe me or not. I did not write this for attention. I am not a kid who needs attention, if you knew anyone that knows me personally, they would tell you that I like to be left alone most of the time. I don't usually talk about this subject, but if someone sincerely wants to talk about it, then I will tell of my experiences. I do not know why I have seen these objects multiple times, that has always puzzled me. But I saw what I saw, and am convinced that these were not military, or any other man-made flying objects.

As Bro Parrish pointed out, literally thousands of reports of UFOs by very credible persons such as airline and military pilots, and even police officers have been made. I am sure some were mistaken, but to believe all were mistaken is to be willingly naive.

You should start listening to Dr. Ruckman's weekly sermons, brother. He has a new one every Friday morning. I'm telling you, you're missing out.

http://kjv1611.org/downloads.html

I take your word for it, but I'd like to see one for myself. Not doubting you at all though.

I wouldn't say I'm a follower of Dr. Ruckman because I don't agree with him on everything, but I do agree with him on most things. I don't see it as a bad thing if a person was a follower of Dr. Ruckman, nor if they was a follower of Paul.

1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." KJV

Cody

When I was young, I was curious myself, and desired to see one. But when I did see one, it was very disturbing.

This may sound strange to you, but I did not question what it was I saw that first time. I knew what it was. I did not believe it to be a spacecraft from another world, or even some secret military aircraft. I knew instantly that it was a spiritual craft, and that it's purpose was to attempt to deceive me.

No, my question was "WHY did I see this thing?"

I tell you, I actually think of these sightings as personal attacks at me. They can't fool me, but why do they try? And why did God allow me to see them? Is there a reason or purpose I was allowed to see these things?

And I do not dabble with the occult and never have. That stuff scares the daylights out of me.

And I hope I never see one of those wierd beings. I trust in the Lord, but I think that would frighten me very badly. Just seeing these flying objects is bad enough.

Don't desire to see them, it is not really a good experience whatsoever.

What about Ezekiels vision of Wheels? Ezekiel Chpt 1v15 and 10v9

Zechariah was prophetic like Ezekiel,so was the flying rolls an actual sighting or a vision?

There are preachers who use Ezekiel as an example for UFO's ,so the same could be said with Zechariah.

I personally havn't seen UFO's,and think they are probably something the Air Force may have been testing like the F117 Nighthawk,F22 Raptor,B2 stealth bombers,Drones etc.. and many others that are being tested now that none of us know about.

Although, if there were UFO's,i would think that it would have to be in line with the Rapture.

Ezekial describes cherubs flying through the air carrying the throne of the Lord. It certainly wasn't a U.F.O. As for Zechariah, it definitely sounds like he's describing a U.F.O. especially when he describes the women who sit in the midst of a flying object. Not only that but the most common shape of U.F.O.s that have been sighted are cigar shaped or roll shaped much like that is described in Zechariah and by bro. Winman.

Clarence Larkin believes in spaceships ;)

In his book of Charts, one of the charts is called "Types and Anti-Types".

The Ark of Noah, according to Larkin, has an anti-type - a Giant Space Zeppelin that will take transfer the Tribulation Saints from earth to the millennial earth while the earth is being regenerated by fire.

At least that's what I understood from looking at the chart. I haven't actually read what he wrote in regards to it. But Space Zeppelins are cool. Sounds like Larkin thought the future was a bit steampunk...

It's all very interesting, but it's also obvious to me that Zechariah is full of imagery and visions; for example we have the red horses and myrtle trees in chapter 1. We have the candlestick, lamps and olive branches or the two anointed ones in chapter 4. We have the chariots and different colored horses (four spirits of the heavens) in chapter 6, etc. so clearly there is a LOT of symbolism going on... at any rate, I think we can agree that chapter 5 is peculiar portion of the Bible...

A few thoughts below on the passage in Zech. 5...

First, it would seem that the flying roll (whatever else it may have been) is a CURSE, however I am not sure exactly what the rest of verse 3 means, see below...

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

Now verse 4 indicates the LORD of hosts is bringing this thing out, notice how it enters the house of THIEVES AND LIARS...

4 I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

It would seem possible that there are others like this, and they are ALL OVER THE EARTH, and look similar...

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

As I understand it, the "ephah" is a type of BASKET, used to transport items inside...

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

Now below we see these women, who might be mistaken for ANGELS with wings, however the context is a CURSE, AND WICKEDNESS, and we know angels in the Bible are males not female...

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

They are carrying or transporting the basket somewhere, and they are FLYING with WINGS, but where are they going?...

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

And here is where they are going; to build or construct a HOUSE or DWELLING for this thing in THE LAND OF SHINAR, where it shall be set upon a base designed and built for this thing...

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

As I understand it, this LAND OF SHINAR is located in modern day IRAQ, also the former location of THE TOWER OF BABEL. :eek: Please feel free to research this yourselves and let me know if I am way out in left field here...

Hmm, yeah, the land of Shinar was the location of the tower of Babel which is where Babylon was or very close to it, and would also be modern day Iraq.

Gen 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Dan 1:1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.
Dan 1:2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.

That's pretty interesting since the European Union reconstructed their own version of the tower of Babel, but it wasn't in Iraq. :P

The only info available on the ephah is that it's some kind of measurement but the text makes it out to be some kind of vessel. Maybe it's an ephah of lead talents being carried in a vessel. There is definitely some kind of vessel there because the angel casts a lead talent and casts it on the mouth of it or else he casts it on the mouth of the woman.

Yes brother, it is pretty interesting isn't it... :)

Jeremy, I think a lot of "preachers" have a loose screw. They look at it in the context of a contemporary aerial phenomena, I think if they search the Scriptures daily the visions might be revealed to them. I've seen 3 UFOs myself, I don't know what they are. Not Venus or satellites, not swamp gas or F-117s. One saucer, one "cigar", and one black object moving through the clouds on a stormy November day that was so black it almost "glowed" blackness, you could make it out through the clouds.

Ezekiel's Wheel has given a lot of ammunition to the nutcake occultists who never read Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Many by now are aware of Ding Dong Von Daniken in "Chariots Of The Gods" and his statement on the Ark, "Without actually consulting Exodus, I seem to remember the Ark pouring out showers of sparks..." Real "scientific".
Carl Sagan and Dr' Clifford Wilson both did a number on von Daniken, course not before he sold like 30 million books.

Grace and peace brother

Tony

Well, brothers & sisters... At risk of sounding "nutty" - I will give my own experience. About 35 years ago, I was in a car with my family. I was in the backseat and we were driving back on a very dark highway, returning home from visiting my grandparents. My father was driving and had his eyes on the road, my mom (also in the front seat) younger brother and 2 older sisters were all sleeping. (We had a station wagon at that time.) My younger sister and I were awake. There were no streetlights out and the only lights came from car headlights on the highway. It was pretty late and the highway was not very busy. I remember sensing something very bright overhead and looking up and seeing something that I didn't know what it was. I pointed up at it and my little sister looked up and I KNOW that she saw it. In the next split second it made a very strange movement (it had been hovering) and it went one way and then another way - extremely quickly, like a zigzag and then it was gone.

We went home and to bed and never talked about it. I had the strangest, creepiest feeling about it and really didn't want to discuss it. I would say I was probably about 14 or 15 at the time. Many years later, I would bring it up and my sister would deny ever seeing it.

I can't really describe the shape or much about the visual appearance of it, I just remember it was like nothing I'd ever seen before - and, especially notable, was the way that it MOVED.

What I believe is this: The government is far more knowledgeable about such things than it lets on. They can use holograms, they can control weather, and they can do many things which people don't know about. They have created and invented things that we know nothing about. They have the ability to CLOAK things also. It makes an object DISAPPEAR instantly, although it is still there. I read an article about that one time, which included photographs of such aircraft. They keep all of this under wraps.

What's the point? Well, I believe that one day they will place some huge hologram that everybody will see, into the sky, to get people into the antichrist system. It will be the REAL "shock and awe" - LOL It will convince people like nothing before.

Anyway, all this stuff is really besides the point. Our faith in the LORD stands. Whether this stuff is real, "other-worldly", a created hoax, or whatever the case may be - our Lord is in control. Not some aliens, not some government, nor some grand antichrist scheme.

Jassy

Win, it was August of 1978 my mother and our neighbor across the street saw an object identical to the one you describe here above the little community of tract-housing we live in. This neighbor's son and I were best friends, we were at the drive-in movies that evening when the saucer showed up. 4 lights beneath it, it was very clear in our vision that it was spinning. It stopped in mid-air and went straight up. Now, what is even more odd than the fact half the people at a drive-in movie saw this thing, this drive-in is 2 miles as the crow flies from a very well known mid-west Air Force base.

Grace and peace

Tony

Brother Parrish, I know the tapes by Dr. Ruckman you have, I bet we both have the same set, or had, in my case. After listening to them Doc Pete had some conclusions that these things like water and have something to do with iron, he quoted a lot of sources like George Adamski that in my mind was a clear fake.

I watch UFO Hunters if it happens to be on TV when I'm in front of it, but like Ghost Hunters they seem to draw no real conclusions.

Grace and peace

Tony

Luke, those scoffers on FFF have gone so far into solipsism I'm sure the majority could not prove their own existence.

Grace and peace

Tony

Okay here is a simple question for all of you; have any of you seen one of these things since you were saved and grounded in God's Word?

Brother Parrish, we don't see by direct light, we see by reflected light. The objects I saw were solid, all reflected light, and in the case of the last object it's movements through the clouds interacted with them, ie, I could see clearly the cloud fragments themselves being moved by the thing.

This may perplex some, I'm not going to say what they are for the simple reason that firstly, the Scriptures are silent with regards airborne objects, or ground borne objects for that matter(cars). When a prophet is taken to heaven by a chariot of fire I believe that's just what it was. Ezekiel's Wheel was clearly stated to have been a vision, as I believe the flying roll and the two winged women were in Zechariah.

Secondly, I'm not going to say they are demonic for the simple reason that there is so much right under our noses that are more demonic. Everything about Roman Catholicism is demonic, and if we say, Mormons, JWs, blah blah blah, well, all of them are merely pale imitations of the Big Saucer, Rome. Everything about Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism is demonic. Jesus Christ is killed and eaten an average of 55 million times a day by people who are forbidden to marry for ecclesiastical reasons and are forbidden meats, as are the SDAs and others who try to force people back under the Law.

I'm not going to say there is life in outer space because we all know there is none, Acts 17 says He has deternined the bounds of our habitation.

Thirdly, we have a big problem with occult manifestations and the dispensational truths of right division, faith vs. sight. There was much occult activity before the Law. There was much occult activity under the Law. Under John the Baptist and Jesus Christ's Messianic ministry the devil worked overtime. The was demonic activity in the book of Acts. Why? Because God manifested Himself in one form or another that could be seen(sight). All, "times past". There is one little short verse in the letters of Paul, here in the "but now": We walk by faith, not by sight. Paul and the apostles and disciples who witnessed His resurrection knew Him after the flesh but we know Him not after the flesh in this Age, otherwise faith is not faith, but sight. So it stands to reason that if God will not have any physical manifestation of Himself in order that our belief in Him be by faith and nothing else, I do not see why he allows Satan and demons to do just the opposite, manifest themselves in the physical plane. What we call "demons" are evil "spirits", and a spirit hath flesh and bone? They don't, according to Jesus?

Well, if they don't then I see no reason for them to have these supercharged hot rods that flip around the sky at 7000 mph either. The most desperately wicked thing in Creation is not Satan or demons, it's the human heart(Jer. 17) Adolf Hitler was "demonic". No, Adolf Hitler was so far gone with venereal disease he hardly knew his own name, plus, he had a human heart. Charley Manson was "demonic". No, Charley Manson has what every abortion doctor in this country has, a human heart(Jer. 17).

Paul leads me to believe that the true demonic activity in this age is not UFOs and werewolves, but false doctrine by refusing to rightly divide the Scriptures, which is how we got the Catholic Church to begin with. Every time someone tries to teach false doctrine on this forum, that's demonic activity. Every time Satan appeared personally in the Bible, did he sprout fangs and cast spells, while saucers hovered above his head?

No, he spoke words.

What are these things in the sky? I don't know. They don't hinder or further me preaching the gospel of the grace of God, so I don't give them all that much thought. Am I afraid of being abducted? No. If they can shed lead from an SKS carbine they can have me.

Are there aliens among us? There sure are, FFF is just stinking with them.

Grace and peace brother:D

Zaltar Of Zeta Reticuli

Brother Win, was it "unChristian" for Jesus Christ to call Simon Peter Satan for preaching, what did I call it in message #37 in this thread, false doctrine?

Think about it brother Win. What is more demonic: A flying saucer or opposing the word of God, denying the preservation and inspiration of His word?

You had the name right the first time, you owe no one an apology. Brother Tim has had the wool pulled over his eyes by a very clever spiritual con-man. I've dealt with hundreds of them. Whether I address Barry or Roby or any of them, they all have the smell of brimstone on them.

Grace and peace

Tony

I was saved March 12, 1967. My UFO sightings:

1. August 1978
2. Thanksgiving weekend(Saturday) 1987(just after the first great Gulf Breeze wave of sightings)
3. October 1990

Grace and peace brother

Tony

I was saved at 11 years old in 1965.

1) 1969 Florida

2) 1973 Florida

3) 1978 Connecticut

4) 2004 (2 sightings of same object in one week) Connecticut

Hey, I can't say for certain what these things are, although I am 99% certain of what they were not. I sincerely do not believe them to be man-made, because they demonstrated behaviour that our craft cannot perform.

The craft I saw in 69 was flying no more than 30 MPH. It flew right over my head in daylight at no more than 100 feet altitude, very easy to observe. The craft I saw in 73 accelerated from a dead hover to a fantastic speed I can only estimate at many thousands of MPH in an instant. The craft I saw in 78 was too fast for a balloon, too slow for a plane, flew at tree-top level in the dead of night, and had no obvious means of propulsion. These were the three very close sightings within a few hundred feet of me I could see in detail. The object I saw in 04 was a smaller, more distant object but performed some amazing manuvers in the sky that I do not believe any man-made craft can perform.

I have never seen any little grey aliens, and believe me, I do not ever want to see one. But the objects I saw all looked liked designed aircraft that demonstrated performance I do not think we can do.

But what they are for absolute certain I cannot say. I will say this, that all of these sightings affected me very negatively. I truly felt a sense of evil when I observed them. I also felt that these objects were manifest especially for myself. Don't ask me why, this has always puzzled me. The object in 73 there was another witness present, but in all the others I was alone.

What can I say? There have been literally millions of reports. And most sightings go unreported, as people do not want to be ridiculed. But many witnesses have been very educated, and even trained observers such as astronauts, pilots and police officers. I am sure many may have been mistaken in what they thought they observed, but to dismiss all of these witnesses is not an intelligent response.

I knew I would be ridiculed for this report, but what I wrote was the truth, and I will never back down from it.