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wingwiper 07-19-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by greenbear (Post 24372)
Wingwiper's


You make an excellent point. This oughta teach you never to ask a question on this forum.:pound:

At least we stayed on topic.

OK..............you got me, I'm busted:peace:

wingwiper 07-19-2009 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulB (Post 24388)
If we are talking about a body that is to be buried in an honourable way – then what about the concubine, the reformers and those who’s bodies were never found or lost at sea?

Judges 19:29 “And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.”

I personally don’t think that our burial is all that important as there are some that haven’t even been buried such as William Tyndale and Jon Huss because of their faith.

Rv.20:13 “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.”

1 Cor 15 makes it clear that whatever the case – V42 “So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:”

To be sown in corruption means sown into death not necessarily in a tomb. Whether we are burned, buried or lost at sea we will all be raised up on the last day when that trumpet will sound its blast!

God bless

PaulB

I understand your point, however as you noted and someone else characterized 9/11............the question was conveyed in a way that a person was still in control of what happened to their remains as to bury or cremate.

People lost at sea or at 9/11 did not have that choice.

wingwiper 07-19-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Diligent (Post 24371)
Well, no, the Philistines already had their way with Saul, just a few verses up. They cut of his head, paraded his body around the land, and pinned his body to a wall. I suppose of motive was in play, shame and embarrassment over what had been done to the bodies might have been a factor -- but that is mere speculation, just like saying Paul was talking about burning his dead body in 1Co 13.

I find cremation a distasteful practice, but I have to admit that my opinion on cremation is not backed up directly in Scripture. Given that we are three pages into this topic and nobody has produced a single verse clearly condemning cremation, perhaps we can come to an agreement that there is nothing Scriptural to be said of it one way or another, and we ought to let people do as they will without burdening them with guilt over something that God didn't bother to comment on in his Book.


I think you said it.....................and that is the bottom line. It ain't in the Bible............. Can't put a square in a round hole.

Still trying to absorb all the posts and I've learned quite a bit. You guyz are amazing...........! Brandon.............1 Sam. 31:12-13 was excellent.

Sorry for the multiple posts............I'm still trying to figure out this muti-quote thing.

greenbear 07-19-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by greenbear View Post
You make an excellent point. This oughta teach you never to ask a question on this forum.

At least we stayed on topic.
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Originally Posted by wingwiper (Post 24415)
OK..............you got me, I'm busted:peace:

Noooo...! Sorry. I didn't mean we stayed on topic and you didn't! I was just giving credit to the group for staying on topic. That doesn't always happen!

I just sort of saw how funny this group can be (now, no offense meant to anyone). You ask one simple question about cremation and you get a full on theological debate with 20 different opinions on one point or another. I was just looking at it from what I perceived to be your point of view as a person new to the board and it struck me as really funny.

wingwiper 07-19-2009 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by greenbear (Post 24419)
Noooo...! Sorry. I didn't mean we stayed on topic and you didn't! I was just giving credit to the group for staying on topic. That doesn't always happen!

I just sort of saw how funny this group can be (now, no offense meant to anyone). You ask one simple question about cremation and you get a full on theological debate with 20 different opinions on one point or another. I was just looking at it from what I perceived to be your point of view as a person new to the board and it struck me as really funny.

Wasn't offended in the least bit.................got quite a laugh.

Yes..................lots of grenades hurled at this subject, yet there is some good meat to pull from it. Definitely picked up a thing or too...............iron sharpenth iron, 'eh?

This is a heck of a forum.

Biblestudent 07-19-2009 08:27 PM

conviction & grace
 
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Originally Posted by Diligent (Post 24366)
They burned the bodies then buried the bones. Now everybody should be happy.

:amen::D:D

Sorry, but it made me laugh!

Well, I find a lot of good posts here.

Based on some of the posts that I've read here, I prefer to be buried, and I prefer that our church practice BURIAL:
1. It's the Bible practice.
2. Cremation seems to be of paganistic origin.
3. Martyrs were "cremated" at the stake.
4. Burial is economical here.
5. Burial is a matter of conviction.
6. There is no verse in Scripture against cremation; even Paul has no objection to giving his body to be "burned" (as a martyr? or by cremation?)
7. There are a lot of verses for burial.
8. Finally, Christ died for my sins, and that HE WAS BURIED, and that he rose again the third day.

"Let every one be persuaded in his own mind."

"The King James Bible is the final authority in all matters of faith and PRACTICE."

Cloudwalker 07-20-2009 05:48 AM

{John 6:43} Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

:p

:D

:rip:

:bolt:

Amanda S. 07-20-2009 07:01 AM

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{John 6:43} Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Cloudwalker the party pooper :D

Amanda S. 07-20-2009 07:11 AM

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Sister Amanda,

I apologize to you.
Apology accepted Jassy :) It certainly happens to us all. Not a problem. I try not to get all worked up as I too often speak before I think...but then I also speak what I think after thinking about it and that gets me into trouble too. :eek:

Perhaps we should put a disclaimer

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted then used against you.

:pound:

Cloudwalker 07-20-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanda S. (Post 24438)
Cloudwalker the party pooper :D

:D

Hey, I'm only telling you what Jesus said, don't take my word for it. :p :D

Jassy 07-20-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanda S. (Post 24439)
Apology accepted Jassy :) It certainly happens to us all. Not a problem. I try not to get all worked up as I too often speak before I think...but then I also speak what I think after thinking about it and that gets me into trouble too. :eek:

Perhaps we should put a disclaimer

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted then used against you.

:pound:

:pound: Disclaimers might not be a bad idea.
NOTE: I am having a bad day. Step on my toes and see what happens. I disclaim any responsibility for the outcome!:D

Just kidding. I actually very rarely have "bad mood" days. I'm usually an optimist.

My mother once asked me how I can go through life with "rose-colored glasses" on. I told her - "That's easy. Believe in Jesus."

Unfortunately, she gets very uncomfortable when I make any mention of Jesus. :(

Jassy

Amanda S. 07-20-2009 08:43 PM

Jassy,

Love the disclaimer! I am apt to use it sometime in the future :D

Amanda S. 07-22-2009 09:57 AM

Bro. Brandon,

I was reading over this thread again and it doesn't look like I ever adressed this comment you made:

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Well, no, the Philistines already had their way with Saul, just a few verses up. They cut off his head, paraded his body around the land, and pinned his body to a wall. I suppose of motive was in play, shame and embarrassment over what had been done to the bodies might have been a factor -- but that is mere speculation, just like saying Paul was talking about burning his dead body in 1Co 13.
I stand corrected :) You are right that they already had had their way with Saul and we would be speculating that the motive is as you mentioned shame or embarrassement.

Bro. George, I was just wondering if after Brandon's post #25 and Jessica's post #32 you still believed I was way off on the sacrifice/martyr thought?

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Nothing is being said about someone "SACRIFICING" their living "body" - can you imagine the Apostle Paul talking about SACRIFICING himself ("by burning"?) for anyone. This, after years of preaching and teaching about the ONE EFFECTUAL & FINAL "SACRIFICE" [1Corinthian 1:23, 2:2] made by the Lord Jesus Christ (BY "CRUCIFIXION" - NOT by "burning") The verse is talking about GIVING a "body" (a DEAD "body") to be "burned" - NOT a "burnt offering"!

And WingWiper are you still absorbing the info? :)

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Still trying to absorb all the posts and I've learned quite a bit. You guyz are amazing...........! Brandon.............1 Sam. 31:12-13 was excellent.
It would be great to hear a summary of what you learned in answer to your question. :)

wingwiper 07-22-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanda S. (Post 24562)

And WingWiper are you still absorbing the info? :)

It would be great to hear a summary of what you learned in answer to your question. :)

Sis. Amanda.......

Still absorbing...........? Absolutely.

I'm just enamored if you will over the how this thing was kicked back and forth, how as yourself and other folk kept the focus on this thing scriptural. It was never about salvation, eternal security--- there is no Church Age scripture against cremation.............yet as many folk brought out that any Old Testament scriptures were ensamples.........., but ensamples are not commandments.

Some folk could care less either way about be buried or cremation and it appeared the majority would rather be buried rather than cremated. I understand and do not refute their reasoning at all. You know.....when you have some people look up to you, pose a question--- I don't want to ever be so high minded if I'm not sure........or let me clarify that if I can not put my finger scripturally on it to reach out for help which this forum has completely embraced. A few folk kind of got off topic, but the main thing is/was that from what I can see is everybody's “heart” was in the right place and wanted the scriptures to have final say!

Christ was buried.............his body was not burned. Doctrinally it don't work.............., but practically at least for me personally that'll preach. You gotta go down (humble yourself before God) before you can go up.

Brandon's verse was good that it covered the spectrum and I got a chuckle out that one. Yet it is at least a common thread from what I could discern that anything burned is and was negative. God's wrath is fire...........it's kindled, it's fire.............Num. 11:1, etc. As far as that goes the Gospel is negative (which is opposite of what is being taught) in that something must die first. Christ died [negative] than rose [positive]. No need to preach...............you guyz have already been taught that. God requires justice.............. A God who is all love is perverted. You cannot love without hating. I love my wife............you try and hurt my wife and I'll try to hurt you.

Jumping maybe outside the box the first thing you see in the tabernacle is something burning, yet it (the tabernacle) was laid out like a cross (the crucifixion). We know as others mentioned that Rom. 12:1 talks about presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice, where we know generally speaking a sacrifice was offered by burning. In Dan. 3..........although they were in the fire (literally) the 4th man--- the Son of God kept them from being burnt. Kind of like being born twice-- you die once and being born once and you die twice. Yet we know that 1 Pet 4:12 is not literal...........every feel like a dog chasing his tail? You can not get around the Word of God-- he got it all covered. What's that got to do with it.............? I don't know but I feel better. :bounce:

Isn't Rom. 12:1 and 1 Cor. 13:3 talking about motive..............? God is asking you to literally die because Christ already did what we couldn't do, yet a living sacrifice is symbolic to our body not our life. God can't use a dead body. I gave my life to Christ when I got saved; He's in me and I'm in Him, but my body which is still subject to the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) is a tad different. The burning in 1 Cor. 13:3 is not literally burning our body but is an indication of our motive.................? Right?

A dead sacrifice is no good as was a dirty priest could not stand before God (Old Testament) just as we cannot come to God dirty, we need 1 John to clean us up as to stay in fellowship. I feel like I'm preaching to the choir...............but we all know our standing and state are not the same (Rom. 6:13). My body is acceptable to God when I do good works and we all know about then bon-fires that will be at the Judgment Seat.

I've ranted enough............. and I'm sure others might disagree, yet I find, after reaching out, study............... no Pauline doctrine suggesting either way. I'm already seated there regardless...............God will put us back together. I am prepared-- thanks to you guys to offer an answer based on the Book. My opinion does not count..............

wingwiper 07-22-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wingwiper (Post 24582)
Sis. Amanda.......


God is asking you to literally die because Christ already did what we couldn't do, yet a living sacrifice is symbolic to our body not our life. God can't use a dead body.

Sorry I booped, scribal error..............

God is NOT asking you to literally die because Christ already did what we couldn't do, yet a living sacrifice is symbolic to our body not our life. God can't use a dead body.


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