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CKG 02-17-2009 01:34 PM

Ironside and 2 Thessalonians 2:2

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
The Revised Standard Version reads, "To the effect that the day of the Lord is just at hand." The best manuscript authority authenticates this.

I'm surprised thst Dr. Ironside would choose the RSV over the KJV. When he says "best manuscript authority" do you think he means the Vaticanus or the Westcott-Hort text in general?

Luke 02-17-2009 03:32 PM

Yep, Scofield and Spurgeon also fell for this...

Steven Avery 02-17-2009 04:06 PM

iron needed sharpeneth
Hi Folks,


Originally Posted by Luke
Yep, Scofield and Spurgeon also fell for this...

All things considered Scofield was quite good on the Bible issues, Spurgeon quite reasonable overall, especially considering the times.

Harry Ironside was one of a number of evangelists of the day who simply trusted the new scholarship. Naive, duped. David Cloud writes a page where these weaknesses are discussed.


Harry Ironside's section on the Johannine Comma shows that he was not only on the wrong side of the issues, he did not even have the most basic facts.

The Epistles of John and Jude: An Ironside Expository Commentary (p. 117)

"thousands of manuscripts have come to light from as far back as the end of the second and the beginning of the third century, and in none of them are these words found"

This shows how effective was the Revision snow job on some for a season, it also demonstrates how Christians need to be dedicated to knowing the truth of the word of God.


stephanos 02-18-2009 01:30 AM

My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: (Proverbs 24:21 KJV)

Peace and Love,

atlas 02-18-2009 09:21 AM


The best thing to do with Ironside, Scofield and Spurgeon is to read them but when they correct the KJV spit out those bones. Ironside was right about 98% of the time so he is good to read after, just do not believe everything he says he like everyone else has issues.


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