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California Wants to Stop Home Bible Groups
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http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=98895 Interesting poll, too: http://forums.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=431 oops, forgot to check the box below |
I pray this doesn't in the direction I think it will...
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This is a violation of the California state constitution and the US Constitution and they should file a civil rights complaint with the FBI. This is a violation of their free practice of religion and right to peaceable assembly. It bothers me for them, but not for me, because I renounced my citizenship in this hellholthe day my mother was pulled, screaming, from her own home and confined to a "nursing home" against her will and she and I lost our home and everything she and dad and I worked for. Every single freedom we have lost in this hellhole is because the sheep let them take them. A constitution is only as good as the people willing to stand for it and resist to stop it's infringement. We have a choice now of boycotting any economic product coming out of the state of California because unless a hue and a cry is raised, Memorial day of 2010 will be flowers on the graves of soldiers who died in vain, and on the grave of your Constitutional RIGHT to free practice of religion. Fundamentalists in America have a choice of holding Bible study in your homes openly or secretly in the sewers. Thr Pilgrims fled England, we have nowhere to flee to. Grace and peace Tony |
You can come to New Zealand :)
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Why aren't Christians complaining to their congressmen, and senators? |
If it was a Catholic catechism class or a Koran study, it would be no problem.
Why not? That falls under freedom of religion practices. my mother was pulled, screaming, that sounds more like Communist countries...why was she forced into a nursing home? Were they saying she was neglected, or a danger, what? Quote:
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Is New Zealand free? Can you own guns, and bring a bible to school? |
Boy, you know Christians have been saying it's the end forever. But how can it be very far off? Pretty soon they are going to be breaking down the door at midnight dragging us away.
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I do NOT believe for a minute that we who are born again will be raptured out before persecutions begin. Why didn't Jesus take Paul, and Stephen, and for that matter, Shadrach, Mesach, and Abednego out before they suffered for their witness in Jesus Christ? Stand FIRM brother! Put the whole armor of God on, hide the word of God in your heart, and learn to use the sword of the Spirit. |
Amen, BibleReader!
What makes American Christians think that we are exempt from the same severe persecution that has in the past existed in many places and today exists in much of the world! Does anyone think that we American Christians have done such a great job that God is going to give us a pass?!? It is only the grace of God and perhaps His reward for the churches in the US being a light to the world for Christianity for so long in our history that we have not already begun to feel the heat of the enemy's breath. Our time to suffer is coming rapidly, and the Church of God in the US is entirely unprepared for it! |
I'm in agreement with biblereader and Brother Tim.
Has anyone read any of the articles posted by the Voice of the Martyrs (VOM) about persecuted Christians - these are things that are happening in the world NOW. True, VOM doesn't use the KJV Bible - but they do report on the plentiful suffering of steadfast Christian believers in: China, India, Africa, Pakistan, Iran, Mexico, Cuba, Columbia, Belarus, North Korea, Indonesia, Malyasia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq... need I go on? Most recently, they reported on 2750 faithful Christians in Nigeria being brutally murdered by Muslims. There are Christians in these countries where the majority are NOT Christian - and the countries are run by Shariah Law (Islamic Law), like in Nigeria, suffer tremendous persecution. They suffer beatings, torture, imprisonment, damage to their homes (often they are torched and burnt to the ground) along with their Bibles and sometimes with the occupants! I think we tend to think of this as "over there" and we are "over here" - and safe. Well, we may be at this time - but things tend to change very quickly. And laws are now being passed in the USA making it almost a CRIME to be a Christian - or at least making punishment of some Christian activities a crime. How can police in San Diego, CA - yes, right in the USA - knock on doors and demand answers to private questions about what they are doing in their own home? And if they answer affirmatively to having Bible studies, saying Amen, reading Scripture from a Bible - then that is "breaking a law"! Think about underground churches all over the world. Do you know how very PRECIOUS a Bible is to a Chinese Christian? They are only allowed to attend "state-run" (and controlled) churches. These are not true Christian churches and they are not allowed to choose the Bible they want to use. It has to be sanctioned and printed by the state! Often they have to sneak out a Bible, perhaps buried in the floor and read under the covers with a flashlight at night. If they're caught reading a Bible, the punishment could be severe. Imagine how inifinitely PRECIOUS a Bible is to such a person! A Christian lawyer is currently being held in China for representing Christians. He has been tortured with electrical shocks all over his body (including his private area) until he was writhing on the floor in pain! His family - his wife and young children - left alone without a man to defend them, have been abused and threatened. They finally had to escape to asylum in the USA. But now they fear that he is being punished for them escaping as well. They have have not heard from him. This is not a first capture for him. He has been brutally beaten and tortured in the past. He will NOT renouce his faith and continues to stand for other Christians. WOW! How many of us would do that in the face of torture? Think about it! Your Lord and Saviour was brutally scourged, spat upon, nailed to a cross, and left to die an excruciatingly painful death. How much do we let that sink in and realize what he did for OUR sins? How much would we be willing to suffer for HIM? You can check out VOM - www.persecution.com and click on the tab "Restricted Nations" and see how many countries are not as fortunate as we are here. Read the stories of Christians who have stood firm in their faith! Jassy |
Amen, biblereader, Brother Tim and Jassy.
It seems we are on the road to fascism in this country. I won't fight it outside of "the system" lest I be fighting against the Lord. It seems clear to me that the Lord is judging this nation for the magnitude of innocent blood shed on this land. Just like Britain before us, we as a nation have turned away from the light of the Gospel of Christ toward humanism and paganism and occultism. I absolutely agree with Jassy's assessment. Yet, I don't want to suffer, I hope the Lord comes back today to take us out of this world! We may end up seeing how great things we too must suffer for His name's sake. I never in my wildest imagination thought things would move downhill as quickly as they are in the US and Europe. Jassy, thanks for the VOM link. I agree with you so closely on just about everything you've written, so far! Praise God! |
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It is a pleasure to have you for a sister in our Lord! I have been uplifted, encouraged, enlightened, and edified by many of your posts. I don't want to suffer either, but we can't place ourselves in a little cocoon and say that we are MORE BLESSED and won't have to suffer. We are currently experiencing protection... but it looks like that is quickly changing and I have prepared myself to face possible persecution for my faith. We need to pray to remain strong in the Lord, no matter what happens. I've seen so many Christians that brush-off or easily dismiss persecution of Christians in other parts of the world, assuming that it doesn't apply to them and that they are simply immune, by some unwritten "spiritual protection." We are promised BLESSINGS if we obey. But do Christians really understand that those blessings are not MATERIAL ones? They are SPIRITUAL. Paul even said to count it all JOY when you suffer things for the Lord's name sake! That's considered a BLESSING!!!!! Why does the Bible tell us that we need to put on armor, if there's not going to be a battle and persecution? We haven't YET had to suffer persecution. Why didn't the Lord take out the apostles in a rapture before they had to suffer? Why doesn't the Lord take out the people worldwide who are suffering cruel brutality daily for their faithful BELIEF in the Lord? It isn't promised, until it gets REALLY BAD and there are almost no true Christians left! (A remnant) The others will deny our Lord when it comes to a crucial test (remember Peter who denied Jesus 3 times!). We truly need to be PREPARED!! Jassy |
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18: If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19: If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20: Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21: But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. WHERE is the weeping and wailing? Where is the separation from the world, in the Christian? Why are we so lukewarm? Does the world love you? Do you have many people telling you what a good fellow you are? Then examine yourself, and see if you really are a witness for Jesus Christ! A wise preacher I used to listen to, (he is dead, now), said, if you aren't being disliked or rejected by SOME of the people you come in contact with, you aren't behaving like a true Christian. If everyone likes you, then you are not living for JESUS. |
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Get your mind ready for the persecutions. Ask Jesus to strengthen you, to make you trust so much in Him, that you aren't afraid anymore. He will prepare you, but you must seek him with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. You must desire Jesus above anything you posess in this world, and you have to love Jesus Christ more than you love anyone else, including yourself. Please prepare yourself. The battle is for the mind, and the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist the devil, and he will FLEE from you! |
1: Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2: Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. Obama could NOT have become president of the US, unless God allowed it. God is in control over all, everything is subject to Jesus Christ. We are to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves, as we live the rest of our lives in whatever government we are in. Speak the truth, always, but speak it with boldness, and charity. I was overjoyed for a moment, when I read what you said, Greenbear, about "lest I be fighting against the Lord". Our job is to rescue the perishing. No matter who is our government ruler: 22: And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. |
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It's kind of gratifying to read someone who's view of the world seems so close to my own. I almost think you might even believe, or at least not discard out of hand, some of the "wierder stuff" I believe . Satan certainly is the god of this present world. I think you are absolutely right about needing to prepare. And that the blessings He promises are primarily spiritual, not physical. When we're living by the Spirit we can appreciate how far greater and more desirable are His spiritual blessings than physical ones. Jassy, you said: "Why does the Bible tell us that we need to put on armor, if there's not going to be a battle and persecution? We haven't YET had to suffer persecution." Just like God's promised blessings, the armor of God is also spiritual. It protects us from spiritual attack, not physical. It protects us against every spiritual attack of the enemy if we use it properly and consistently. We don't use the armor against people and governments who persecute us for our faith. I believe the preparation we need to engage in to prepare for the coming persecution is hiding His word in our hearts so that we have his Word even when it's taken away from us.. 2 Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; You are so right; The Lord will deliver us from the wrath to come. He will come for us before the Day of the Lord, the day of His wrath. We will likely suffer persecution but we will not suffer wrath, neither God's nor Satan's. Rev 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Jassy, you said:"It isn't promised, until it gets REALLY BAD and there are almost no true Christians left! (A remnant) The others will deny our Lord when it comes to a crucial test (remember Peter who denied Jesus 3 times!)." It is possible, I believe, for a christian to deny the Lord by many different motivations. Fear, torture, shame, the love of money, etc. In this age of Grace we do not have to endure until the end to be saved. I came out of the legalism of the SDA church (didn't grow up in it, just a couple of years as a brand new christian or "pre-christian") and it took me a decade to get every last trace of it's leaven- legalistic, Israel/church identity confusion out of my thinking. every time I thought I had killed it for good, it would pop it's ugly head up right in the middle of another discussion or thought. All there is for the church is grace. No requirement to be strong under persecution or torture, no imperative not to deny Him, no nothing- nothing but salvation by faith alone. We are free from ALL!!!!!!! Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Nothing can take us out of the Body of Christ. Not even ourselves. Nothing present or to come. Nothing. Back to "wrath". Israel will suffer wrath, though. I don't know why so many Christians want to take on Israel's blessings and their curses. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The remnant is Israel. Any time a remnant is spoken of, I believe it is always referring to Israel, not the church. I do think, however, that when Jesus raptures His church before the tribulation, those who are alive at His coming, those translated, will probably be less in number than we think-just IMHO. My belief is that persecution and suffering will cause true "revival" in the church in America. The Lord has blessed me so much the last 2 weeks as I try to cease walking in my own power and lean upon Him, instead. His children are strengthened when all other avenues of help are closed and we are forced to rely solely on Him. In much the same way, Israel will be blessed with the triumphant return of their Messiah only when no man on earth is able to help them. 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In His Love, Jennifer |
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2 Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. Thanks for the encouragement. I love you in the Lord, sister. |
Who said I did not believe Christians in the U.S. would not suffer persecution?
I said that pretty soon they would be breaking our doors down at midnight dragging us away. What do you think I was talking about there :confused: |
Jassy, I have to make one more comment.
You said: "It isn't promised, until it gets REALLY BAD and there are almost no true Christians left! (A remnant)" The rapture of the church can happen at any time. There is nothing that has to be accomplished first. The rapture could have happened in the first century anytime after 70 AD when the Temple was destroyed, the Kingdom offer withdrawn from Israel, and the revelation of the mystery of the gentile church had begun. There is no timing given for the rapture of the church. The prophetic clock stopped with the sacrifice of the Jewish Messiah, and the withdrawal of the Kingdom offer to Israel. It won't start ticking again until the Church is out of the picture and the Son of Perdition confirms a covenant with Israel. At that point the 7 year Tribulation, or Day of the Lord, begins. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Timing and prophecy and numbering (census) have to do only with Israel. The gentile church is a mystery, as we know, not revealed until Paul. The gentile church is never numbered, never given any prophetic time line. We might guess it's about over because we might assume 7000 years from creation through the millennium. We may feel it is close because we see the signs increasing that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 & Luke 21. Yet, Jesus said, 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. The second coming of Christ when he places His feet on the Mt. of Olives, when He comes to rule the earth for 1000 years can be timed once the anti-christ confirms the covenant with Israel and not before. That coming will happen 7 years after the anti-christ confirms the covenant with Israel, and 3 1/2 years after the abomination of desolation. Jesus says that no man knows the day and the hour, only the Father, and to "therefore be ye ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." Matt 24:44. If you are interested, there are some straight-forward, short books on pre-millennialism and pre-tribulation rapture by John Walvoord that are really good, like "The Return of the Lord" and "The Rapture Question". Allen Beechick, "The Pre-Tribulation Rapture" is easy and excellent. Tim LaHaye's "No Fear of the Storm" is good, as well. You may have already read it but a "must read" (that is, I must read it again after all these years) is "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam. I found "Delving Thru Daniel" by Noah Hutchings to be very basic, readable, and informative regarding Daniel's prophecies. I hope you find any or all of this information helpful. Your sister in Christ, Jennifer |
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It is true though in many states if you have a gathering on a regular basis that has more than 15 people in attendance you are to get a permit. it is a lawful assembly permit in some places in others it is known by different names. but the point is they have regulation about large groups that gather together regularly.
if they had a block party that is the same permit they would have to get. it is no biggy just get a permit. and while your at it invite the city workers to come too. |
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I am sorry that I haven't gotten back to answer your reply posted here! I have been busy with other things for a bit. I'm sure that we would have a lot of biblical beliefs in common and, perhaps, some similar experiences as well. Maybe we could chat or email sometime together apart from the Forum. I would enjoy that. Satan is certainly the god of this world... that's readily visible, as we see the way the world is today. Yes! It is primarily a spiritual battle. Sure, some of it may be physical as well - however, such a physical battle will arise out of a spiritual one. A conflict between God and Lucifer, who wishes to do battle with God. I agree with you that it is so vital to hide His Word in our hearts - we must literally BURROW it there - so that there is no way it can be ferreted out by the enemy. We will have it at the ready, as needed. It's scary to imagine a time when perhaps our Bible will be taken away from us. I feel ashamed, since I used to have so much more Scripture memorized! I went for quite a long period of time without renewing the Word within me - so I found that I had forgotten so much. Thank you for differentiating between the persecution of the saints and the WRATH of God. Definitely different! We certainly do not wish to be on earth during that wrath!! Then, we would know we had missed the rapture!! I'm so glad you came out of the legalism of the SDA church. I had met a man online and he was an SDA church member. His father was a minister. He actually admitted to me, when I pointed out several things, that there was error in the doctrine that the SDA church teaches. Sadly enough, he told me that he could not disobey his father by quitting the SDA Church. My question is: Would he rather disobey His HUMAN father or his HEAVENLY Father? He was 40 years old, so that's quite old enough to make a decision and to be confident enough to leave a church, even if his father was a minister, if there was profound error in it. Like you, I also came out of a very legalistic, Israel/church identity confusion from a church with a lot of doctrinal error (the Worldwide Church of God), also. So, I can understand where you are coming from in that. I love your vehemance about FAITH/BELIEF being the only requirement for salvation that we have. Everyone must start at that point. Hebrews 11:6 - "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." I see that you especially love some of the same Books of the Bible that I do: 2 Cor, Eph, 6, Rom 8... Thank you for the correction, if the remnant is Israel. I have to admit that I'm still learning and somewhat confused from past teachings that I had learned. It's almost like being DE-PROGRAMMED!!! I think we'd better ask brother George on this one!! He seems to be so wisely and excellently prepared to answer any Bible issues. I've always checked his responses in the Bible and find them to be solid and dependable. Love in Christ, Jassy |
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Hello Jennifer, my sister in Christ, Thank you so much for the book recommendations. I will look them up. I appreciate that you took the time to list them and the Scriptures. I have to address one thing. You said that the rapture of the Church could happen at any moment and that there is nothing that needs to be done first. I believe that what has to be done is: "And this gospel of the the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14) So the last of the believers has to be gathered like hens under the wings of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The only way that the last of these can be gathered is if they HEAR the Word of God and BELIEVE. Romans 10 13 - "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." 14 - "How then shall they call on him in whom they have no believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" 15 - "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" 16 - "But they have not obeyed the gospel. For Esias saith, Lord who hath believed our report?" 17 - "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." So I think the preaching of the gospel EVERYWHERE has to come first. They have said for YEARS that that is close... I do not know. How do we evaluate that? GOD KNOWS!!! :D Love in Christ, Jassy |
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Life does get in the way of our chatboards sometimes. :p Please never feel rushed if you have occasion to reply to a post from me. Life can get busy. I can wait! I would enjoy chatting or emailing apart from the board sometime, as well. I spent years away from God's Word except for sporadic reunions lasting days or weeks. I sure hope it's different this time. I think it is. I'm happy you aren't offended by my last posts. I had to respond because I am intimately aware of where you're coming from with the remnant/enduring to the end to earn/keep salvation & parable of the 10 virgins-I know you didn't post that parable but it is part of the same error so I mention it. None of it has to do with the church. Here is a doctrine of the Worldwide Church of God under Tkach (it looks familiar!): Yet Tkach has also taught that believers can lose their salvation by not being overcomers: "Salvation is one thing but overcoming is another. And if we are not interested in overcoming, you can rest assured that salvation is not going to be there. Salvation is a present possession. However, it does not mean once saved always saved in any way, shape or form. You have to overcome and endure to the end" (Joseph Tkach Sr., "Feast of Tabernacles," Sept. 30, 1993). "If the Christian remains faithful and does not turn away from God, his salvation remains firm and secure. In that sense, 'once saved always saved' is right" (Pastor General Report, May 15, 1990). That is false doctrine. That is an offense to the finished work that Christ accomplished on the cross. Here I go again... You said: Quote:
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I'm glad to ask along with you for brother George's answers to these questions. I believe that he is trustworthy to answer Bible issues giving scriptural support; including the eternal security of the believer, the identity of the remnant, whether it is Israel or the church that has to endure to the end, as well as whether or not there remains anything that must occur before the rapture of the church can take place. In His Love, Your sister Jennifer |
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If you read any one of my numerous recommendations :) I would choose "Things that Differ" by C R Stam. Quote:
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A lot of Christians are not willing to think about the US becoming a non-freedom of religion country. They keep saying Jesus will rapture us up, before any of this happens. Sorry if I misunderstood you. I do hope my reply helped others, though, who might be weak and anxious about their future here. |
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While we are young and relatively healthy and can pull a trigger, we can stand for our rights, but as far as the aged and disabled who can't speak for themselves, America is nothing more than a Nazi extermination camp. We have voluntary abortion, involuntary is next. We are on the verge of voluntary euthanasia as a federal law, involuntary euthanasia is next. People sell their gold for worthless paper lately, both are worthless in an social, economic, and political crisis. The most valuable metal to hoard is lead, and I don't mean ingots. Oliver Cromwell told his troops, put your faith in God boys but keep your powder dry. Tony Bones says, put you faith in God Beth, and learn all you can about guerrilla warfare. Grace and peace sister Tony |
I firmly believe there will be a special place in hell for lawyers and judges, and, insurance agents. What makes them so crooked? They have so much power over us, and yet they want to rob us blind.
The death cult of the liberals is so strong now. They are focused on killing babies, killing old people, killing the sick and infirm, what's next? As you say, it's much like the Nazi way. I'm reading a couple of books right now, and one of them is called The Arms of Krup. It's about what Germany was like, in the decades prior to WW 1 and WW2. The way America is going, it won't be long before the laws will be changed to mirror the mercilessness of those whose hearts are cold as ice, who hate Jesus and all his followers stand for. Did you hear about the law being put into effect that says anyone who opposes our government, or abortion, or gun control will be put on a list and called a threat to America. Something like that. Sorry I can't remember the exact words now. You're right about our economy, and gold and paper being worthless now. It seemed to have happened in such a SHORT time, too, didn't it? One year ago, America was not like it is, today. So much evil so quickly. I don't think a woman like me would be successful in guerilla warfare. I will look into it, but, in the end, my only hope is in Jesus. Peace and Hope to you, brother Bones. Bible reader. P.s. Who is Beth? That's not my name. |
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If I do not preach, it will be because I chose not to do so. If I do not hold a Bible study in my home, it will be because I chose not to do so. If I am forbidden to hold Bible studies, I will hold them every night of the week and twice on Sunday. And I need no permit, nor will I seek one. I wish them no ill will, but my attitude towards them is "You do what you have to do, and I'll do what I have to do." The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. The government has no vote in the matter. |
Re: "California Wants to Stop Home Bible Groups"
I have been asked to comment on three questions sisters’ greenbear and Jassy have been discussing.
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I do not claim to be an old “sage”, nor have I ever made the assertion that I know everything there is to know about God’s Holy word. I’m just the “old crusty curmudgeon” of the AV1611 Bible Forums and I am highly honored by sisters Jassy’s & Jennifer’s request. Please keep in mind: I am NOT “infallible”, but for what it’s worth – here are my answers to their inquiries: Quote:
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52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? |
Re: "California Wants to Stop Home Bible Groups"
To the AV1622 Bible Forums,
CORRECTION! :embarassed: The following statement: Quote:
Proof Positive - that I am NOT INFALLIBLE! :D |
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