Aha :) Exactly Brother
I understand MJS is not KJBO, and often uses some strange translation of the Bible (WEY), in which case I just open up the KJB to see if he is correct in his exegesis. The phrase "die to self" is not a biblical phrase I admit. Honestly, I only used it because it is what someone called this truth many years ago, when I should have actually listened, and accepted the fact I was dead to sin, and it would have saved me several years of heartache. |
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Our authoritative Bible is the only means in the universe by which we can ever know anything rightly and personally of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. - The Complete Green Letters, pg 187Sounds good. Sad to say, the problem of faulty reckoning in this instance, due to a wrong interpretation, is mainly caused by an inferior translation in our beloved King James Version. - The Complete Green Letters, pg 203So you have to exercise caution. |
I know.. it is a shame that he takes that path. However, the amount of meat in that book far outweighs the bad
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He is also a "sovereign gracer", but saw the fallacies in the Reformed position, and never let his doctrines of "grace" get in the way of the gospel, which is only believe.
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Thank you for your excellent explanation. THIS is what I was trying to say. I'm dead to sin, but it is a growing process we must go through. That's why Jesus says some saved people are still taking milk, when they should be taking meat, because they've stopped choosing to grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus. Do you know that the vast majority of people in churches have NO IDEA what the bible says? It SEEMS like all they do, is listen to some namby pamby pastor say God is love, love, love, and no matter what you do, it's ok, because God is love. People get very angry when I talk about what the bible says about who wont get into heaven. |
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Would you please break this down, into simple layman's terms? What are u talking about? |
OK, Luke, and just about anyone else, since you say this was written ONLY to the Hebrews, and not to me, or any Gentile Christian, this is saying that ONLY the Hebrews can fall away from salvation?
12: Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13: But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14: For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; 20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.[/QUOTE] |
Maybe I didn't make it clear...
It's a Jewish book written to Jewish people about a Jewish King that is better than Jewish sacrifices, and this is the part I may have forgot, it applies doctrinally during the Jewish dispensation of Jacob's (Israel) Trouble (The Tribulation). So anyone living in the tribulation can lose their salvation (taking the mark of the beast, worshipping the beast etc). The second verse is from II Peter I think, and once again, it says Dog, not Sheep. Dogs are unsaved people. And since it doctrinally applies to the tribulation, it is an unsaved gentile. |
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And, if so, what other books of the bible are not for Gentiles? I've never heard of anyone saying certain books of the bible are not useful or needed by Gentiles. Who taught you that? I'm reading Gipps bible history, and it sounds like what you're saying is, we common lay people might not know the REAL story about the bible. You're obviously not a calvinist. But, you believe people can become unsaved. Why? |
Oh, well. Thanks for your answers so far.
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Noone can lose this salvation in this dispensation of God. During the next dispensation, the tribulation, God's is dealing with the Jews, and they will be able to lose their salvation.
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I think I said it before, I am called a Calvinist by my Charismatic and Pentecostal friends and I am called Arminian by my Baptist friends (who hold to Calvinism). My friends that are Baptist or non-denominational who rightly divide we are called Bible Believers. it is always the nature of men to place people into categories rather then look at them as brothers and sisters in the Lord and to exercise charity. We will be found in one of two places either a strong brother who is not to despise the weak or a weaker brother who is not to judge the stronger. |
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James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. The book is meant literally for Jews, but Gentiles can learn greatly from it. But James is a subject on its own. "But, you believe people can become unsaved." I have heard you can renounce your Faith, but I haven't found anything to support that. |
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