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Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Never mind. |
Sis. Renee,
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I guess I didn't make myself clear...If we were to examine our hearts and confess our sins and repent, it would never get to the point of the gross sin mentioned I Cor. 5. There would not be widely reported fornication or covetousness needing dealt with. Also, another application to this Scripture is if we would all focus on our own hearts and not glaring around the church at all the people we think have problems then would there be no opportunity for "church discipline" so to speak. Thank you sister! Great point! Quote:
Perhaps I am wrong, but I do seek knowledge of the Bible. I am sorry to say I've not always felt that way...But recently I've been convicted of these passages: 2 Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them. I am sure it's been obvious that I have been mega posting :D LoL I have probably spent a little too much time on here, but it is our summer break and I have really been trying to enjoy this summer as we don't usually take a summer break. :) I do not have tv or do anything else that is my "me" time so I enjoy chatting here. Quote:
Thank you for your comments! Be blessed :) |
Sis Amanda,
I was just going to post something about taking Scripture out-of-context... then sis Renee blessedly did so before I. We do need to be careful - we have to look at the Scriptures that come before and after any that we quote, in order to be certain that those Scriptures actually apply - and we're not wrongly applying them out-of-context. If someone quotes a Scripture, or a passage of Scriptures, oftentimes, I will go back and read not only the entire chapter, but the entire BOOK - to get the true context. We need to understand historically WHO was being addressed, WHO was doing the writing, and WHAT the REASON was for the writing. The members of the church at Corinth came out of abject paganry. They had been immersed in it as a LIFESTYLE. It had been all they knew. That lifestyle included worship of false gods and goddesses, including sexual rituals that involved the various gods/goddesses. If you go and visit that area today, you can do historical studies about what the Church at Corinth had been like and what kind of lifestyle those believers came from. It would be enough to make us cringe!! So, after following that lifestyle, and BELIEVING in what Paul preached, they were SAVED. Were they still falling back into that lifestyle? Unfortunately, yes. According to Paul's letter to the Church at Corinth, many were still involved in that lifestyle. Were they going to LOSE their salvation over it? NO! They were already SAVED. Remember Christ came to save SINNERS - not the PURE. He was admonishing them since they were representative of the Church - the Body of Christ - and as another of Paul's letters stated, these things should not ONCE be named among them, as Believers. (That was, of course to the Church at Ephesius (Eph. 5). Was Paul JUDGING them? It was more of a WARNING. They weren't going to be seeing any awards in heaven if they were falling back into that lifestyle! There are some - Calvinists, I assume - that would declare that the sinner LOST their salvation. But Paul NEVER said that. Look how he ADDRESSED his letter!! I go back to his very first opening address to the Church at Corinth. 1 Corinthians 1:1 - Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's: 3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Whew! And going on................... very interesting!!! 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I am of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? In the same judgment. SEE it? Not that we each judge what we THINK we ought to judge - but according to the Word of God - in AGREEMENT with all Believers. As was also pointed out by sis Renee, we have to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment. Jassy |
Sis. Jassy,
Totally in agreement! Paul gives the church guidelines as I stated on what to judge... I am not suggesting any one lost their salvation, or were warned, judged, discerned against (?) because they smoked or shaved their head or wore too much make up...LoL Paul gave us the examples. If we judged unrighteously shame on us! If we judged according to our whims, wicked! Amen and Amen... |
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Yes, judging ourselves - if we are honest within ourselves, we know our sins better than anyone. Judging others has a tendency to lead to hypocrisy because, face it, we are ALL sinners and we were in that same condition, that sinful state, where we could be led to sin in that same way. So, coming down hard on someone for their sins is not always advisable... but judging a RIGHTEOUS judgment IS always advisable. Jassy |
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When I reread it, I understood. Sorry for my sometimes SLOW mind! Things occasionally take time to sink in! LOL :pound: Jassy |
No problem, Sister Jassy. See, if you were inside my mind (scary thought, I know) you could follow my line of thinking with no trouble at all. :pound:
P.S. You were blazing hot, sister. |
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Hi sister Jassy,
Sorry I beat you to the punch. It really bugs me when someone twist and wrest the scriptures. I read a lot of the post that are posted. I find that a lot of post in some threads I prefer to be quiet on, infact I ignore whole threads after reading the first few post. I do have this thing though, when I see that George or Brandon has posted I do go check it out. There is much wisdom and discernment and understanding in both yours and Greenbear's post and I preceive that behind the post is a meek and quiet spirit. 1 Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. May The Lord bless you, Renee Looks like this thread has morphed again! |
Renee and Jassy,
I pray the Lord to give me a meek and quiet spirit. I have a zeal for the truth but in this I am lacking. I still respond carnally at times. I thank God for your and JaeByrd's "ensamples". Jen |
Sis Jassy,
And one more thing. You are NOT allowed to start any more threads! :p |
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