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boaz212 05-12-2009 07:08 AM

Footnotes:

1. Acts 4:11 Or cornerstone
2. Acts 4:11 Psalm 118:22

To me, footnotes like this one show the incompetence of the translation "experts" of the NIV. They confuse the readers as to which word (in this verse is offered two words of opposite meanings)is intended by God. God's word now becomes a series of multiple choice questions that the readers must decide what the word of God truly says.

tonybones2112 05-12-2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boaz212 (Post 19628)
Footnotes:

1. Acts 4:11 Or cornerstone
2. Acts 4:11 Psalm 118:22

To me, footnotes like this one show the incompetence of the translation "experts" of the NIV. They confuse the readers as to which word (in this verse is offered two words of opposite meanings)is intended by God. God's word now becomes a series of multiple choice questions that the readers must decide what the word of God truly says.

Yes! Did He say that? Which one? Did he say it at all?

You're understanding Genesis 3 better now brother.

Grace and peace

Tony

Tmonk 05-12-2009 12:13 PM

Job 38:4-7
who laid its cornerstone- niv
who laid the corner stone- kjv

Psalm 118:22-23
the stone the builders rejected has become the capstone -niv
the stone which the builders refused is become the head stone -kjv <----This is referring to a capstone

Isaiah 19:13-20
an alter to the LORD in the heart of Egypt- niv
an alter to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt -kjv

Isaiah 28:16
precious cornerstone for a sure foundation -niv
precious corner stone, a sure foundation- kjv

Jeremiah 51:26
will be taken from you for a cornerstone -niv
take of thee a stone for a corner -kjv

Zechariah 4:7
he will bring out the capstone -niv
shall bring forth the headstone -kjv <----This is referring to a capstone

Zechariah 10:4
from Judah will come the cornerstone -niv
out of him came forth the corner -kjv

Matthew 21:42
has become the capstone -niv
is become the head of the corner -kjv <----This is referring to a capstone

Mark 12:10
has become the capstone -niv
is become the head of the corner -kjv <----This is referring to a capstone

Luke 20:17
has become the capstone -niv
is become the head of the corner -kjv <----This is referring to a capstone

Acts 4:11
which has become the capstone -niv This is the verse in question.
is become the head of the corner -kjv

Ephesians 2:20
Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone -niv
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone -kjv

I Peter 2:4-7
chosen and precious cornerstone -niv
chief corner stone, elect, precious -kjv


A corner stone can be a foundation stone, but is the "head of the corner" the foundation or the top?

Brother Tim 05-12-2009 12:20 PM

Consistency, my dear tmonk, consistency...

That's the ticket!

cornerstone/corner stone = head of the corner = head stone = chief corner stone

capstone <> cornerstone

NIV jumps back and forth, KJB is consistent

Greektim 05-12-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Tim
KJB is consistent

Would you say that is true 100% of the time in a single context in the KJ?

Winman 05-12-2009 02:54 PM

Jesus is the cornerstone which is part of the foundation, the first stone laid, not the capstone which is the top, the last stone laid.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

So, still think your corrupt version gives the correct comprehension??

Brother Tim 05-12-2009 07:41 PM

GT, I am discussing only this particular topic here. If you want to discuss the broader question, we can do it through email. I won't discuss the KJB itself, or compare versions with you on this forum. It is not conducive to civility.

Greektim 05-12-2009 07:45 PM

Agreed

Brother Tim 05-12-2009 08:20 PM

TMonk asked:
Quote:

A corner stone can be a foundation stone, but is the "head of the corner" the foundation or the top?
"Head" does not refer to location (that is, the top or highest stone), but to importance (the rest of the foundation and building are aligned to it). "Head" is used in the same sense that "chief" is.

tonybones2112 05-12-2009 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Tim (Post 19645)
Consistency, my dear tmonk, consistency...

That's the ticket!

cornerstone/corner stone = head of the corner = head stone = chief corner stone

capstone <> cornerstone

NIV jumps back and forth, KJB is consistent

That's the terminology used by medieval stonemasons for the first founding cornerstone.

Grace and peace

Tony Bones

Former Bricklayer/Residential Construction Electrician


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