Just cause many here don't follow Calvin or his buddy Augustine (the father of the Catholic church) doesn't make us lost. Perhaps you are not one of the elect. How do you know - since you never made a personal choice to trust Christ? At least those who come to Christ the way the Scriptures command us to have that Biblical assurance when we have done so.

God's Plan vs. Man's
Election is based on God's foreknowledge. we are called unto obedience
System of Grace
We are predestined to be like Christ when saved.
We are chosen to be holy.
predestined to the praise of His glory. not predestined to salvation.
Summary
Why did the Jews not attain? because it was by works and not faith. why do they reject the truth?God's predestined plan of salvation is by grace not works. God's election is to service. God's predestined plan is to save by mercy not works.
RE: the total depravity of man.
Scripture teaches us that fallen man has no righteousness that is acceptable before God and that even man's claimed righteousness is as filthy rags. Although, what does the Bible say about man's will or his ability or inability to respond to God's grace?
It's true that no sinner naturally seeks after God. Although that is not to say that he cannot believe the gospel when it is offered to him in the context of God's enlightenment, conviction, and drawing,

Good stuff, Beth!

Only the elect are called unto obedience and the new covenant blood gives that obedience to the elect as a gift..

ezk 36:

23And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Look at all that Sovereignty, awesome nothing is left to freewill..The obedience of the elect is ordained by God..

rom 6:

17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

God should be Thanked when we obey, because its a result of His will not mans freewill..

The elect are those that trust in Jesus Christ and are saved. The Body of Christ, that God foreknew would be members of the Body of Christ.

Yes they are but you just have everything backwards, they trust because they are saved, they are born again..Its the nature of a new born nature to trust in its proginator..so trusting is resultive of being born of God..

Foreknew means foreloved, he loved the elect who had been chosen in christ before the world began..

Jesus does not foreknow everyone that way sorry..

here is proof matt 7:

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He never knew them, he never loved them intimately as he did those he elected, or choose..

God did not foreknow or love easu in the same way..

rom 9:

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

I see you are disregarding the efficasiousness of the covenant blood and all the references I showed you of Gods I wills..

You have nothing to comment on those great truthes, why not ?

We must reconcile the following scripture:
"foreknowledge" is a word that means simply that God foreknew what would happen or to know beforehand, (foresee). It is the Greek word "prognosis". The Calvinist will try to redefine "foreknowledge" into "foreordination". It is the same basic Greek word that is translated "foreknowledge" in 1 Pet. 1:2, which says the believer is "elect according to the foreknowledge
of God."
The example of Esau and Jacob does not refer to election pertaining to personal salvation but to election pertaining to nations in God's
overall program. Romans 9:12 makes this clear. "It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger." The promise of God to Rebecca was about
the elder son serving the younger, not about their personal salvation. and of course Edom did serve Israel.

The passage you bring up has to do with how God sovereignly chose Christ's lineage.

It is true God is sovereign. It is His sovereign plan of salvation by grace. He receives all of the glory for the saving of man from the wage of sin.

We must reconcile God's sovereignty and the responsibility of man. That is what some of us are attempting to do. All scripture is God breathed and scripture is the Word of God, all of it true.

I have did a whole study on romans 9, there is nothing you can teach me about that chapter, for it is definitly about salvation..

Nope, you wish it did, but the scripture could have said fore saw, but thats not the emphasis, its forelove..to know in a intimate way..

also the word foreknowledge is used twice..

acts 2:

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

1 pet 1:

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Never does it denote a just seeing in advanced..

strongs definition:

1) foreknowledge

2) forethought, pre-arrangement

Just like in acts, the death of christ was a pre arrangement by the determinate council of God..

The elects obedience is by the same, the determinate counsel of God..

The non elects disobedience is by the determinate counsel of God..

1 pet 2:

8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Gods foreknowledge and determinate counsel determines everything..

eph 1:

11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

So your definition of foreknowledge is corrupted, it does not mean foresaw..sorry..