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Bro. Parrish 01-01-2009 12:05 PM

Creed of the Alexandrian Cult
 
I'm sure this has been posted, it was written many years ago... but I figured with the new year upon us it would be a good reminder and a reference point for all those confused souls who come here seeking to cast doubt on God's Word. Think of it as a peek at Satan's game plan for destroying man's faith in the Bible. God bless you my friends, as you defend the KJV...



THE CREED OF THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT

by Peter Ruckman


1. There is NO FINAL AUTHORITY but God.

2. Since God is a SPIRIT, there is NO FINAL AUTHORITY that can be seen, heard, read, felt or handled.

3. Since all books are MATERIAL, there is NO BOOK ON THIS EARTH THAT IS THE FINAL AND ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on what is right and what is wrong; what constitutes TRUTH and what constitutes ERROR.

4. There WAS a series of writings one time which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.

5. However, this series of writings was LOST, and the God Who inspired them was UNABLE TO PRESERVE THEIR CONTENT through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-6), and where the word "CHRISTIAN" originated (Acts 11:26).

6. So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called HIS SON OUT of Egypt (Mat. 2), JACOB OUT of Egypt (Gen. 49), ISRAEL OUT of Egypt (Exod. 15), and JOSEPH'S BONES OUT of Egypt (Exod. 13).

7. So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate - though, of course, there is NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY FOR DETERMINING TRUTH AND ERROR: it is a matter of "preference" - are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although NOT QUITE.

8. The most INACCURATE TRANSLATIONS were those that brought about the GERMAN REFORMATION (Luther, Zwingli, Boehler, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide MISSIONARY MOVEMENT of the English speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitfield, Wesley, and Chapman used.

9. But we can "tolerate" these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all, since THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY THAT ANYONE CAN READ, TEACH, PREACH, OR HANDLE, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what WE prefer: let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.

This is the creed of the Alexandrian Cult.

:RunToKJB:

MC1171611 01-01-2009 11:22 PM

Amen brother, I'd hate to be some of those guys when Jesus gets...ticked off...at them at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

On the other hand, while we must strive to be steadfast and stand for the Word of God, we must be cautious that we don't become doctrinally correct and spiritually bankrupt. I know we "Bible Believing Ruckmanites" have the truth, 100% and perfect, but I know a lot of people that walk around with an NIV or an NASB and have a more Christ-like attitude than I do a lot of times. Just because I have the absolute Truth doesn't mean I always act on it as much as I should, and that's something that we all should try to keep an eye out for in our own lives.

Thanks for that brother, it's good to be reminded.

PeterAV 01-02-2009 02:07 PM

That was a heart felt response there, Vince.
You are growing into what God would have you to be.
A real sign of maturity in Christ.
God bless you!

kittn1 01-02-2009 09:26 PM

Well that answers some of the questions I've had about the "no final authority" notion in a nice, concise summary! :)

Bro. Parrish 01-03-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MC1171611 (Post 13953)
Thanks for that brother, it's good to be reminded.

My pleasure... :thumb:

Tmonk 01-06-2009 04:05 AM

"6. So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called HIS SON OUT of Egypt (Mat. 2), JACOB OUT of Egypt (Gen. 49), ISRAEL OUT of Egypt (Exod. 15), and JOSEPH'S BONES OUT of Egypt (Exod. 13)."


Oh you mean Nag Hammadi ? This is where you could find the Gnostic's. 1 John also warns against them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library

Kiwi Christian 01-06-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MC1171611 (Post 13953)
On the other hand, while we must strive to be steadfast and stand for the Word of God, we must be cautious that we don't become doctrinally correct and spiritually bankrupt. I know we "Bible Believing Ruckmanites" have the truth, 100% and perfect, but I know a lot of people that walk around with an NIV or an NASB and have a more Christ-like attitude than I do a lot of times. Just because I have the absolute Truth doesn't mean I always act on it as much as I should, and that's something that we all should try to keep an eye out for in our own lives.

A hearty AMEN to that!

Gord 01-06-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MC1171611 (Post 13953)
... I know we "Bible Believing Ruckmanites" have the truth, 100% and perfect, ...

That has to be one of the most spiritually bankrupt statements I have ever read without even using a profane word. I thought Jesus was our Lord, not some 'Archie Bunker' like preacher.
It reeks of arrogance.

Kiwi Christian 01-06-2009 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord (Post 14125)
That has to be one of the most spiritually bankrupt statements I have ever read without even using a profane word. I thought Jesus was our Lord, not some 'Archie Bunker' like preacher.
I reeks of arrogance.

I read the "Bible believing Ruckmanite" part as tongue and cheek, and the "100% and perfect" as a reference to the King James Bible.

MC1171611 01-07-2009 12:58 AM

If you don't like Doc, then that's fine. But don't go reading into things and making lame, slanderous statements like that. We BIBLE BELIEVERS have the TRUTH. You may not, but those of us who BELIEVE the BIBLE do. If you believe the BIBLE, then you have the truth, too.

ĄDios mio!

baldmedic 01-09-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MC1171611 (Post 13953)
Amen brother, I'd hate to be some of those guys when Jesus gets...ticked off...at them at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

On the other hand, while we must strive to be steadfast and stand for the Word of God, we must be cautious that we don't become doctrinally correct and spiritually bankrupt. I know we "Bible Believing Ruckmanites" have the truth, 100% and perfect, but I know a lot of people that walk around with an NIV or an NASB and have a more Christ-like attitude than I do a lot of times. Just because I have the absolute Truth doesn't mean I always act on it as much as I should, and that's something that we all should try to keep an eye out for in our own lives.

Thanks for that brother, it's good to be reminded.

That was a wonderful response brother.

My experience with Peter Ruckman has not been pleasant. I sent him a leter back in 1991 while in college and his response was very mean spirited and rude. From that point on, I did'nt care what he had to say, I was not listening. The preacher who lead me to the Lord is now a missionary in Korea and they use the NIV and I will say this: When we die we are told we will be made like Christ. Of all the poeple I've ever known, he'll have to change the least. May God bless us all and lead us to a greater understanding of His Word and His ways.

Shall we scorn that God has revealed so little concerning His ways, or rejoice that He has revealed so much.

MC1171611 01-09-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baldmedic (Post 14202)
That was a wonderful response brother.

My experience with Peter Ruckman has not been pleasant. I sent him a leter back in 1991 while in college and his response was very mean spirited and rude. From that point on, I did'nt care what he had to say, I was not listening. The preacher who lead me to the Lord is now a missionary in Korea and they use the NIV and I will say this: When we die we are told we will be made like Christ. Of all the poeple I've ever known, he'll have to change the least. May God bless us all and lead us to a greater understanding of His Word and His ways.

Shall we scorn that God has revealed so little concerning His ways, or rejoice that He has revealed so much.

Thanks for your response brother. I too had a rather unsavory meeting with the Doc; I asked him to sign my Bible when I was in Pensacola for a Blowout and he took and signed it without saying a single word. I don't always agree with his mannerisms, but I'm not going to slander the fellow or talk down about him. He has done more for the word of God than I ever will a hundred times over, and who am I to judge another man's servant? :)

Here Am I 01-09-2009 08:09 PM

I don't look upon Brother Ruckman as a model of civility, nor is his speech fair and enticing, but some might also malign one of the best Christians that lived:

"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." (1 Corinthians 2:1-5)

I take what Brother Ruckman teaches, from God's word, and learn from it. Smooth and suave he isn't, but isn't that the mark of a false prophet? See 2 Peter 2.

Bro. Parrish 01-26-2009 05:07 PM

I tell you, I am amazed at how many people come on this forum and fit this description of the Alexandrian Cult perfectly or at least very closely. It also seems to me we get three types of Bible deniers on this forum:

1. Those who are honest about their confusion, they are having trouble with the KJV issue, but they really are seeking truth and asking honest questions about the KJV. We can help these people, if they listen and research the issue. I shall think of these as CBD's (Confused Bible Deniers). Perhaps we should pray for more of these people, so we can help them with God's truth on the KJV.

2. Those who are blatantly in denial of the inerrancy of the King James Bible as it exists today. These people seldom seem to repent, they are here merely to create strife, and usually find themselves quickly escorted off the site with a ban. I shall think of these as BBD's, (Blatant Bible Deniers).

3. Those who are sneaky about their denial. These guys come on here and start asking rhetorical questions and they APPEAR to be a category 1 above, but in reality they are perhaps the worst type. I say they are worst because they lurk here for a while and put on appearances, and it takes a fair amount of effort and patient replies to "figure them out." I shall consider these as SBD's, (Sneaky Bible Deniers).

Of course I am conscious that these are all precious souls, and I think we should pray for discernment as we try to deal with these confused people. I have already noticed that some like Bro. George are pretty good at this already.

But in the end, I am still amazed at how many of them align themselves with the Alexandrian Cult doctrine as outlined by Brother Ruckman so many years ago.

Cody1611 03-08-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baldmedic (Post 14202)
My experience with Peter Ruckman has not been pleasant. I sent him a leter back in 1991 while in college and his response was very mean spirited and rude. From that point on, I did'nt care what he had to say, I was not listening. The preacher who lead me to the Lord is now a missionary in Korea and they use the NIV and I will say this: When we die we are told we will be made like Christ. Of all the poeple I've ever known, he'll have to change the least. May God bless us all and lead us to a greater understanding of His Word and His ways.

May I ask what you wrote him in your letter?

I guess Doc isn't as good with his words as Joel Osteen.


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